Society and Information Technology in Second Life

Wednesdays, January 9 - July 30, 2008, 4-6, SLT/PT, 7-9 pm ET

on Berkman island in Second Life - http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berkman/114/70/25

 Course homepage - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

 

Instructor: Scott MacLeod (not on Harvard's faculty) = Aphilo Aarde (in Second Life)

http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm

 

 

 

June 18 2008 Soc and Info Tech class transcript

 

 

 

[16:02]  Boston Hutchinson is Online

[16:02]  Barbie Starr is Online

[16:02]  Movies1963 Beck is Online

[16:02]  Andromeda Mesmer is Online

[16:02]  Joseph Tisch is Online

[16:02]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[16:02]  Jeande Laville is Online

[16:02]  Sonja Strom is Online

[16:02]  Sunnyk Noyes is Online

[16:02]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[16:02]  Connected

[16:03]  You decline ::CONTACT:: 3.1  on ::SATURN:: from A group member named Sonja Strom.

[16:03]  Claryssa Schmidt: hi Aphilo

[16:03]  Boston Hutchinson: Hi Aphilo

[16:03]  Zap Raymaker: Hi all

[16:03]  You: Nice to see you.

[16:03]  You: Hi All

[16:03]  You: I'm in a remote location, with 80-90% internet connectivity, so please bear with me if we get disconnected.

[16:04]  You: Greetings, Zap

[16:04]  You: Welcome to "Society and Information Technology" on Berkman Island

[16:05]  Xed Nightfire: which remote location?

[16:05]  You: We've been examing what a global, degree-granting, open, free to students, virtual world University, with Harvard as a key player, using a wikipedia model, might look like.

[16:05]  You: Hi Xed, I'm in northern California

[16:06]  Xed Nightfire: no. ca = remote :)

[16:06]  You: And I've posted the transcripts for this conversation over the past 4 weeks here

[16:06]  You decline ::CONTACT:: 3.1  on ::SATURN:: from A group member named Sonja Strom.

[16:06]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

[16:07]  You: so for those who haven't been here before, conversation makes this course rich

[16:07]  You: and please type at any time

[16:07]  You: (I'm in the Sierra Valley, Xed, at about 5000 feet).

[16:08]  You: And one of the interesting aspects of courses in Second Life is the possibility for us all to participate richly in the conversation

[16:08]  You: And I'll post this transcript from today, as well,

[16:09]  Gwyneth Llewelyn is Offline

[16:09]  You: so not only does type chat in a virtual world become a unique vehicle of knowledge generation

[16:09]  You: it also becomes a way to share ideas over time

[16:10]  Gwyneth Llewelyn is Online

[16:10]  You: Today I'm particularly interested in two aspects of a global University

[16:10]  JenzZa Misfit is Offline

[16:10]  You: and hope we can explore and, especially, envision these in a variety of ways

[16:11]  You: and these aspects are funding questions, as well as aspects of the virtual world

[16:11]  You: or virtual worlds themselves - how might we give rise to these

[16:12]  You: Questions, observations, thoughts thus far, or about the idea of a global university, itself?

[16:12]  Xed Nightfire: why?

[16:12]  You: Why consider a global university?

[16:12]  Andromeda Mesmer: Just that the more I've thought about the idea of a global university, the more I like it.

[16:12]  Xed Nightfire: value? why?

[16:13]  You: or why funding and virutal world aspects?

[16:13]  Michele Mrigesh is Offline

[16:13]  Xed Nightfire: why a global university?

[16:13]  You: Great question.

[16:13]  You: Please, all, contribute . . .

[16:13]  Aidan Aquacade is Offline

[16:13]  Xed Nightfire: the idea is interesting, just as an exercise: but why would anyone want to do it except to standard and dominate, globalization.

[16:13]  Widget Whiteberry is Offline

[16:14]  Boston Hutchinson: I think we're talking about a university existing almost entireley in virtual worlds, right?

[16:14]  Andromeda Mesmer: Another way of labelling this might be as a very very friendly global library.

[16:14]  Andromeda Mesmer: But a library that goes far beyond just a plain library, and has discussions.

[16:14]  You: I think a global university, with Harvard as a key player, offers access potentially to people around the world to education, and thus knowledge generation, and thus a way to change the way they live, potentially.

[16:14]  Xed Nightfire: wikipedia is already doing that, without discussions.

[16:15]  Zap Raymaker: I'm not sure the idea is too far out there, people do learn online (post secondary) already...

[16:15]  Widget Whiteberry is Online

[16:15]  Xed Nightfire: yes; the way THEY live: hence, my first question.

[16:15]  You: I think there's great social good, in potentially, and empathically, providing knowledge and information that is interactive, that gives people an opportunity.

[16:15]  Boston Hutchinson: Is anyone attemting to get an education entirely through Wikipedia?

[16:16]  Xed Nightfire: he said, library, hence wikipedia.

[16:16]  Gareth Otsuka is Offline

[16:16]  You: Yes, but while I would like to engage the wikipedia model, and develop it in far-reaching ways, because it engages the World Wide Web in remarkable ways that allow everyone to become contributors and participants in knowledge generation

[16:17]  Zap Raymaker: I'm familiar with universities that offer satellite campuses for face to face learning in overseas. I see a virtual environment as an extension of the same... thoughts?

[16:17]  You: Wikipedia isn't an education or a course.

[16:17]  Boston Hutchinson: Is it possible for someone in a remote village (more remote than northern California :)) to get an education on-line with a cheap laptop and Internet connection?

[16:18]  You: Yes, Boston, just in virtual worlds, to start, but I think by engaging Harvard, it might be possible to shape an articulation with in class room proecesses, eventually.

[16:18]  Zap Raymaker: Please keep in mind, I haven't read the transcripts from the previous discussions yet

[16:18]  Xed Nightfire: ok, it is just a move in the DE globalization game.

[16:19]  Xed Nightfire: to trump others who are already trying to dominate the market, ok i can see that

[16:19]  You: Let me recap for main kernels of this idea from previous weeks, so we can move to questions of funding, because we have explored the 'why' quesiton in some detail, but please keep sharing your thoughts

[16:19]  Xed Nightfire: ok

[16:20]  You: The idea is to develop an online, free, degree-granting, global university, with Harvard as a key player, at the undergraduate and graduate levels

[16:20]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[16:20]  You: and start with 4 undergraduate for-credit courses in the fall of 2008 or the spring of 2009, listed in the Harvard catalog, as well as a course at Harvard Law School

[16:20]  Jeande Laville is Offline

[16:20]  You: then develop these into degree programs. Develop dedicated funding and an endowment for this, invested in socially conscious funds

[16:20]  You: and continue this conversation in real time through this emergent, open University and information technologies about these technologies

[16:20]  You: and to do so, let individuals and groups build virtual worlds in Open Sim and Second Life, which then connect as parts of this developing University, to continue this conversation

[16:21]  You: so, briefly, access to all, open source, high quality education available around the world, through a kind of one laptop per child, to complement existing countries' educational systems

[16:22]  You: and universities, opens all kinds of edudcational and knowlegde generational possibilties

[16:22]  You: and whether wikipedia by comparison is a tool of colonialism or globalization or not is interesting

[16:23]  You: Let's discuss this in another class

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[16:23]  Aphilo Aarde: Let's discuss this in another class

[16:25]  Aphilo Aarde is Offline

[16:25]  You: uh oh

[16:26]  You: I suspect the professor will be back shortly,

[16:26]  You: but let's keep going in his absence.

[16:27]  Xed Nightfire: Are these classes always here at the same time on Weds?

[16:27]  You: Yes, Xed

[16:28]  You: 7-9 Wed.

[16:28]  Andromeda Mesmer: In that case - Xed - can you explain what you mean by the connection between Wikipedia and decolonization or deglobalization? I didn't understand you.

[16:28]  Xed Nightfire: 4pm

[16:28]  Aphilo Aarde is Online

[16:28]  You: Oh sorry! yes, 4-7 SLT!

[16:28]  Andromeda Mesmer: All I know is that there have been attempts to subvert Wikipedia.

[16:28]  You: 4-6

[16:28]  Xed Nightfire: well, the technology possibiliities are exciting, surely ...

[16:29]  Aphilo Aarde: Hi All

[16:29]  Xed Nightfire: and the globalization makes some sense for some technical/vocational studies ...

[16:29]  Andromeda Mesmer: Hi Aphilo

[16:29]  Aphilo Aarde: Sorry - internet access is on and off

[16:29]  Xed Nightfire: oh, prof is back, i will be quiet.

[16:29]  Aphilo Aarde: (Please save the conversation from 23 minutes after the hour until 29 minutes :)

[16:30]  Aphilo Aarde: (Thanks, Boston . . . )

 

 

 

 

 

 

[16:28]  Sunnyk Noyes is Online

[16:28]  Froukje Hoorenbeek is Online

[16:28]  Boston Hutchinson: Oh sorry! yes, 4-7 SLT!

[16:28]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[16:28]  Andromeda Mesmer: All I know is that there have been attempts to subvert Wikipedia.

[16:28]  Connected

[16:28]  Boston Hutchinson: 4-6

[16:28]  Xed Nightfire: well, the technology possibiliities are exciting, surely ...

[16:29]  You: Hi All

[16:29]  Xed Nightfire: and the globalization makes some sense for some technical/vocational studies ...

[16:29]  Andromeda Mesmer: Hi Aphilo

[16:29]  You: Sorry - internet access is on and off

[16:29]  Xed Nightfire: oh, prof is back, i will be quiet.

[16:29]  You: (Please save the conversation from 23 minutes after the hour until 29 minutes :)

[16:30]  You: (Thanks, Boston . . . )

[16:30]  Boston Hutchinson: got it.

[16:31]  You: Yes, Zap - to respond to some or your earlier thoughts -

[16:31]  You: A virtual University, as I see it, would grow right out of existing ones

[16:31]  Aidan Aquacade is Online

[16:31]  You: so a very limited number of Harvard's courses would be in-world, and for credit . . .

[16:32]  You: but in a kind of wikipedia format, so that, with time, and with other Universities, and with this one, itself, perhaps with its own name,

[16:33]  You: people could engage classes at the Ph.D. level, with virtual worlds as the main modality of knowledge generation

[16:33]  You: rather than a physical place

[16:33]  You: And MIT's Open Courseware project, costing perhaps around 20 million US dollars, is a kind of basis

[16:34]  You: for the academic part of this envisioning process

[16:34]  You: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

[16:34]  JenzZa Misfit is Offline

[16:34]  You: Course materials from about 1800 courses are now available for free here

[16:35]  You: Before we move on to funding questions in the first half of this class

[16:35]  Andromeda Mesmer: Aphilo - explain the 20 million US -- over what time period?

[16:35]  Andromeda Mesmer: Set up coss?

[16:35]  Andromeda Mesmer: *cost?

[16:35]  You: (I heard this number at Harvard - 20 million US dollars over perhaps 4-5 years - yes, costs to make this happen).

[16:36]  Andromeda Mesmer: That's pretty low.

[16:37]  Boston Hutchinson: It's just a bunch of websites, podcasts and recordings taken from classes.

[16:37]  You: Yes, in terms of MIT's budget which is vast - I don't know what it is - rough estimate of MIT's overall budget annually, anyone?

[16:37]  You: Yes, but it is the beginnings of a virtual, free, open access education

[16:38]  You: that isn't degree-granting, nor in a virtual world, nor interactive

[16:38]  Arawn Spitteler is Offline

[16:38]  Boston Hutchinson: a quick search produced no answer....

[16:38]  Zap Raymaker: I guess the key here is the degree-granting, right? Since there are projects like the Open University in the UK already underway?

[16:39]  Boston Hutchinson: But there are a lot of non-academic departments, research, government and industrial contracts, so it's hard to get a meaningful number.

[16:39]  You: But the why question - Xed - might be addressed by MIT OCW, as well . . as an expression of free software - See Christopher Kelty's new book published by Duke Univ - "Two Bits" (for free, by the way) - http://twobits.net

[16:40]  Boston Hutchinson: Who is the target audience and what do they need/want?

[16:40]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[16:40]  Xed Nightfire: thanks

[16:40]  You: and as an expression of nonmarket information production - see Benkler's "The Wealth of Networks: How Social Production Transforms Markets and Freedom" also avaible for free, and published by Yale

[16:41]  You: http://www.benkler.org/wealth_of_networks/index.php?title=Main_Page

[16:41]  You: So, as I see all the aspects of a virtual university of highest quality exist, already,

[16:42]  You: and the wikipedia model might well integrate such an endeavor.

[16:42]  You: But I had typed, right before I got cut oof

[16:42]  You: off

[16:43]  You: Harvard's Berkman Center for INternet and Society, with their orientation to the public good, and as a full center at Harvard (as of a month ago)

[16:44]  You: as well as the coursework inworld, that started with Charlie Nesson, Gene Koo, and Rebecca Nesson's "CyberOne: Law in the Court of Public Opinion"

[16:44]  You: where Harvard Law students got credit, with some real life classroom time, as well as in-world time, in addition to

[16:45]  You: Harvard extension students and at-large participants (I was one)

[16:45]  You: is precedent, for the credit aspect of this envisioning process.

[16:45]  You: So funding . . .

[16:46]  You: So, I see two main sources, following a kind of MIT model and US centric-base, as well

[16:46]  You: One is an endowment, and the other is government funds - Harvard and MIT do extraordinarily well with both, and each in their own way.

[16:46]  Aidan Aquacade is Offline

[16:48]  You: On the endowment side, Harvard has something like a 36 billion dollar endowment, and they just bought major amount of real estate on along the Charles' River in Cambridge and Boston recently (I'm not totally confident about the endowment size - it may be significantly larger).

[16:48]  You: What's MIT's endowment?

[16:48]  Dnate Mars is Offline

[16:49]  You: As I see this global University, students would have free access, but faculty members would get paid competitive salaries, perhaps starting mostly with post docs,

[16:49]  Claryssa Schmidt: $9.98 billion

[16:49]  You: on a US basis, at most remunerative levels

[16:49]  You: Thanks, Claryssa

[16:50]  You: I would also like to see such an endowment be invested in socially conscious funds - like the Domini Equity fund

[16:50]  You: (Remember divestiture of Universities' endowments in the 1970s and 80s)

[16:51]  You: hhttp://domini.com

[16:51]  You: engaging Harvard's investing prowess

[16:52]  You: (...to protest against Apartheid in South Africa)

[16:52]  Boston Hutchinson: Harvard and MIT both make a much better rate of return long term than almost any major fund

[16:52]  You: Absolutely - but I also

[16:53]  Boston Hutchinson: so why wouldn't you let Harvard manage the money if they are willing?

[16:53]  You: wonder how the Internet and a wikipedia model - cum index investing + model

[16:53]  You: That would be optimal, Boston - first choice

[16:54]  You: But I'm curious how the Internet might facilitate a different complementary approach, too?

[16:54]  You: Thoughts?

[16:54]  You: And in-world, too.

[16:55]  You: For example, if virtual worlds were secure (the Berkman Center is an entreprenerial nonprofit)

[16:55]  Boston Hutchinson: There are a lot of people trying to beat the market. They all have Internet access. Most don't

[16:55]  You: and an indexing + approach could be engaged in-world

[16:55]  You: an entrepreneurial approach could be brought to part of this endeavor, that articulated with

[16:55]  Boston Hutchinson: Indexing always loses a little relative to the market

[16:56]  You: a wiki approach to a global University

[16:56]  You: Yes, Boston, but I suspect that Harvard's Network - in this now networked society (Castells) - in conjunction with information technology and computing resources

[16:57]  You: makes for intereting new opportunities that a global, degree-granting, open, free University

[16:57]  Boston Hutchinson: Using a community of people with specialized knowlwdge to evaluate startups and public companies in their fields might offer an advantage.

[16:57]  You: with Harvard as a key player, could benefit from.

[16:58]  Boston Hutchinson: But if the information is public, the advantage would presumably be erased.

[16:58]  You: Exactly . . . and beginning with one Harvard Business School class in-world

[16:58]  You: might create a network in remote locations with specialized knowledge that

[16:59]  You: would benefit this global Unviersity's endowment-growth tremendously.

[16:59]  You: So free-to-students, but as an entrepreneurial nonptorift

[16:59]  Boston Hutchinson: I would bet on the B-school students to lose money. :)

[17:00]  You: :) - perhaps the endowment entity

[17:01]  Jon Seattle is Offline

[17:01]  You: -what is it caled at Harvard? - would start to offer classes

[17:01]  You: in this global University

[17:01]  You: So, engaging an existing endowment model

[17:02]  You: ...., and perhaps starting from scratch, but perhaps starting in conjunction with Harvard would open many extraordinary possibilties.

[17:03]  You: Other thoughts about funding, at this point?

[17:03]  Perry Proudhon is Offline

[17:04]  You: Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society might be key in these respects

[17:04]  Andromeda Mesmer: Well, only that if it is going to be worldwide, then calling on some of those in Forbes "100 richest in the world" might be fruitful.

[17:04]  You: So, let's take a break now, and come back to ideas about government funding

[17:05]  Andromeda Mesmer: OK.

[17:05]  You: as well, as further thoughts you have thus far . . . and then move onto

[17:05]  You: aspects of virtual worlds and how we might envision this for a global University

[17:06]  You: See you at 17 minutes past the hour, and I'll post the transcript . . .

 

 

 

 

[17:08]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/June-18-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-course-transcript

[17:14]  Froukje Hoorenbeek is Offline

[17:15]  Bjorlyn Loon is Offline

[17:16]  Aidan Aquacade is Online

[17:17]  You: Hi All

[17:18]  Boston Hutchinson: Hi

[17:18]  Andromeda Mesmer: Hi Alphilo

[17:18]  Claryssa Schmidt: hi

[17:18]  You: Thoughts, observations, ideas we didn't get to in the first half?

[17:20]  You: One other specific idea, for funding the initial (hypothetical) post docs teaching in-world , in this degree-granting

[17:20]  You: (Ph.D.), global, virtual world, open, free University

[17:21]  You: Within the structure of this global University vis-a-vis Harvard, and other institutions,

[17:21]  You: find specific fund raisers who link directly with Domini 400 companies - e.g. socially responsible companies -

[17:22]  You: and with faculty members, who have specific projects in mind, or students

[17:22]  You: - this would also help the endowment - In envisioning and potentially rewriting Unversity

[17:23]  You: vis-a-vis a wikipedia model, I wonder how resources might be accessible to others, especially those who need them, for example, in the developing world, who contribute to knowledge generation

[17:24]  You: Could we engage with micro-lending banks, and complement these arrangements with knowledge?

[17:25]  You: as well as the OLPC project - perhaps making machines with a degree-granting education process - available disadvantaged situations

[17:26]  You: such that governments, which are the primary purchasers of OLPC, would then be able to contribute to this global, degree-granting, free, open, virtual world University, with Harvard as a key player,

[17:26]  You: using a wikipedia model . . .

[17:27]  You: Engaging the most intractable governments, vis-a-vis educating citizens in their countries is an interesting idea -

[17:27]  You: in the Middle East, for example . . .

[17:27]  You: but not necessarily easy

[17:27]  You: At this point, One Laptop Per Child,

[17:27]  Andromeda Mesmer: Aphilo -- do you know if the US would limit or stop educational exchanges with any countries in the Middle East? Or elsewhere?

[17:28]  Andromeda Mesmer: I seem to recall that Us professors sometimes have a tough time getting into Cuba - lots of hoops to jump through in the US, to get permission.

[17:29]  You: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olpc

[17:29]  You: I think there's interesting history in this respect with many countries and the US.

[17:30]  You: But right now, OLPC will provide computers to the following countries . . . and, (in conjunction with a Global University?)

[17:30]  You: Ethiopia, and Rwanda

[17:31]  You: Colombia, Haiti, Mexico, the USA

[17:31]  You: Peru Uruguay

[17:31]  You: Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia

[17:31]  You: Each of these countries (there are about 200 countries today total)

[17:32]  You: might serve as models for providing

[17:32]  You: or making accessible a global University

[17:32]  You: Helo rguzman

[17:32]  You: Hello

[17:33]  rguzman Minotaur: hello

[17:33]  You: So, governments in a global sense, would be key here.

[17:34]  You: MIT's engagement with these countries also would provide a rich source of knowledge, vis-a-vis a global University and governments

[17:34]  You: Nicholas Negroponte did offer the keynote address

[17:34]  You: at last year's Berkman Center for INternet and Society conference (2007)

[17:35]  You: entitled "University: Knowlegdge beyond Authority"

[17:35]  You: So, I think Boston and Harvard and MIT's networks would be invaluable here.

[17:35]  rguzman Minotaur is Online

[17:35]  Michele Mrigesh is Online

[17:35]  You: Negroponte has been key, along with Walter Bender, and many others

[17:36]  You: in the development of the OLPC

[17:36]  rguzman Minotaur is Offline

[17:36]  You: The US government, perhaps through the NSF, but also many of the avenues that MIT and Harvard engage tax resources

[17:37]  You: would also be key here.

[17:37]  You: And could also provide a very rich resource knowledge-wise, as well.

[17:38]  You: So, how might Info Tech, and the WWW, as well as a wikipedia model engage governments as a funding source?

[17:38]  You: Thoughts?

[17:38]  Sunnyk Noyes is Offline

[17:39]  You: The IT revolution, just to use one example, has made doing personal taxes easier

[17:39]  You: vis-a-vis the government, and both national and state governments have welcomed this

[17:40]  rguzman Minotaur is Online

[17:40]  Michele Mrigesh is Offline

[17:40]  You: ..., I think, because it has reduced error, and streamlined the process of taxation.

[17:40]  JenzZa Misfit is Offline

[17:40]  You: How could a global, virtual University engage similar processes, vis-a-vis government

[17:41]  You: If such a University benefited the people in the US, as well as in other countries,

[17:41]  You: I think they might be willing to fund it.

[17:42]  You: I imagine that the OLPC has significant government funding -

[17:42]  You: does anyone know?

[17:42]  You: And that this might be a model for a global, virtual world University.

[17:42]  You: Thoughts?

[17:42]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[17:43]  You: So, these are some approaches to private and governmental funding for a global University.

[17:44]  You: ...that would provide free, open University and education everywhere . . . .

[17:44]  You: fascinating

[17:44]  rguzman Minotaur: what´s areas of knowledge?

[17:44]  You: Yes, rguzman?

[17:44]  rguzman Minotaur: only political

[17:44]  Coene Soyuz is Offline

[17:44]  You: All areas eventually, but the MIT Open Courseware approach is a first step

[17:45]  You: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

[17:45]  You: And we might also include learning material for all ages -

[17:46]  rguzman Minotaur: i know that´s is very good i´m teacher and my studente lernt of these programm

[17:46]  You: There's a professor at MIT, now living in Maine, who has done much with computing technologies, and learning

[17:46]  rguzman Minotaur: i´m techer in colombian university

[17:47]  You: and Boston pointed out Greenbush the other day - http://www.greenbushlearningcollection.org/

[17:47]  Tom Bukowski is Online

[17:47]  You: Interesting rguzman - what would help you?

[17:47]  You: What would you find beneficial, if you could have access to any learning resources you needed, digitally?

[17:48]  You: (Will your school receive the OLPCs, by the way?)

[17:48]  You: Are you in Colombia now?

[17:48]  Sonja Strom is Offline

[17:49]  You: I will post the rest of the transcript here - http://www.greenbushlearningcollection.org/

[17:49]  rguzman Minotaur: some programs are exclusivily in english other in spanish, how student in spanish lenguage acces too?

[17:49]  You: Sorry

[17:49]  JenzZa Misfit is Offline

[17:49]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/June-18-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-course-transcript

[17:50]  You: Yes, language specific learning materials are essential

[17:50]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[17:50]  You: Eventually, the Internet will translate without error, but that isn't there yet

[17:50]  rguzman Minotaur: how in my profession couldt introduce in these proyect my studentes?

[17:51]  You: http://www.google.com/language_tools - here is a translator from google

[17:51]  You: What ages do you teach?

[17:51]  rguzman Minotaur: ten years

[17:52]  You: And how much computer access do your students have?

[17:52]  JenzZa Misfit is Offline

[17:52]  rguzman Minotaur: university soport

[17:52]  You: I would look at greenbush above, to start.

[17:52]  You: Do all of your students have access to computers?

[17:53]  rguzman Minotaur: if i like

[17:53]  You: I don't know spanish computing

[17:53]  Curious George is Online

[17:53]  You decline Time for an Oil Change from A group member named Jojogirl Bailey.

[17:53]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[17:53]  You: but I would google information about this, and network with those who know.

[17:54]  Joe Petrel is Online

[17:54]  rguzman Minotaur: ok

[17:54]  You: I suspect there's a lot - consider contacting, for example, the USC Annenberg Center in California where Manuel Castells is a professor.

[17:54]  Joe Petrel is Offline

[17:55]  You: So, to conclude about funding

[17:55]  You: - we'll come to virtual world questions next week -

[17:55]  rguzman Minotaur: i´m physics teacher

[17:55]  You: the funding sources are clearly in abundance, depending on the network

[17:56]  JenzZa Misfit is Offline

[17:56]  Boston Hutchinson: There seem to be a lot of Spanish programmers working on OpenSim...

[17:56]  You: (I'll try to learn a little more about spanish learning resources for 10 year olds studying physics).

[17:56]  You: Interesting - other thoughts?

[17:57]  Andromeda Mesmer: Boston, there are a lot of programmers in Venezuela who are interested in Open Source work.

[17:57]  rguzman Minotaur: if i´m inerest in MIT coure ?

[17:57]  You: Vis-a-vis funding, engaging these networks is key, for a global University

[17:58]  You: to find success, and using the MIT OCW model as an example, the costs on a relative basis, are low.

[17:58]  You: for self-learners rguzman, the MIT OCW is an amazing opportunity

[17:58]  Claryssa Schmidt: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/courses/lang/es/es.htm

[17:58]  rguzman Minotaur: what is your concept of global university ?

[17:58]  You: which you have access to - and some is in spanish.

[17:59]  You: Look back over the today's transcript, as well as the last 4 weeks, and we can talk about further questions that you have next week, rguzman, in this respect

[17:59]  rguzman Minotaur: yes, i know

[17:59]  Dnate Mars is Offline

[17:59]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/June%2018%202008%20Soc%20and%20Info%20Tech%20course%20transcript

[18:00]  rguzman Minotaur: what make uns

[18:01]  You: I think you'll find a lot of your questions answered there - but basically to offer everything degree-granting Universities offer, using a wikipedia model, with Harvard as a key player

[18:01]  Curious George is Offline

[18:01]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/

[18:02]  You: So, I'd like to close for today . . . and next week begin to envision the virutal world aspects, and what might make this innovative.

[18:02]  You: Nice to see you . . .

[18:03]  rguzman Minotaur: degree popst universitary?

[18:03]  Boston Hutchinson: last week's transcript might be more focused on the idea of a virtual university: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/June%2011%202008%20Soc%20and%20Info%20Tech%20class%20transcript

[18:04]  You: I'll finish posting the rest pf today's transcript and see you next week . . .

[18:04]  rguzman Minotaur: what´s time?

[18:04]  You: Thanks, Boston . . . read that rguzman, for a clearer idea . . .

[18:04]  Andromeda Mesmer: Time - Wednesday, 5 pm SLT --

[18:05]  You: One other thought

[18:05]  You: I wonder if the four of you might possibly get together to start structuring a wiki for this global University

[18:06]  You: The wiki here http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/ - is one model, as is wikipedia

[18:06]  You: I have server space at hcoop, and we can probably find other server space . . .

[18:07]  You: so that we might start to collaborate in generating the beginnings of this global University

[18:07]  rguzman Minotaur: do you like link teacher in these proyect?

[18:07]  You: For example, also - http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/course-materials/wiki/

[18:08]  Andromeda Mesmer: Aphilo, I can't do that right now -- I need to learn Gimp, and I have just had an offer from a teacher to help me -- so I need to get busy before she disappears

[18:08]  You: and particularly here -

[18:08]  Andromeda Mesmer: She is going to be setting up a Gimp course

[18:08]  You: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/wiki/Weeks_Pages

[18:08]  You: ok . . . that's fine . . .but let's talk about this further

[18:08]  You: let's talk further, rguzman

[18:09]  Andromeda Mesmer: Later - sure.

[18:09]  You: So, please consider this and perhaps we can chat during the week

[18:09]  You: See you next week . . . :)

[18:09]  Michele Mrigesh is Online

[18:09]  Andromeda Mesmer: See you Aphilo - interesting tonight, as usual.

[18:09]  Boston Hutchinson: Thanks for class!

[18:10]  Claryssa Schmidt: thanks Aphilo

[18:10]  Veeyawn Spoonhammer is Online

[18:10]  You: The target audience would be Harvard undergraduates and law students, to start, using a kind of MIT OCW approach.

[18:11]  rguzman Minotaur: thanks, wait speak with your´s later

[18:11]  Boston Hutchinson: See you next week

[18:11]  Boston Hutchinson is Offline