Society and Information Technology in Second Life

Wednesdays, January 9 - July 30, 2008, 4-6, SLT/PT, 7-9 pm ET

on Berkman island in Second Life - http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berkman/114/70/25

 Course homepage - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

Instructor: Scott MacLeod (not on Harvard's faculty) = Aphilo Aarde (in Second Life)

http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm

 

 

July 23 2008 Soc and Info Tech class transcript

 

 

 

 

 

 

[16:06]  You: Hello

[16:08]  You: Hi Claryssa!

[16:08]  Claryssa Schmidt: hi

[16:08]  You: nice to see you

[16:08]  You: Boston said he won't be here

[16:09]  You: How are you?

[16:09]  Claryssa Schmidt: okay

[16:09]  You: What thoughts do you have about a name for this University we've been talking about?

[16:10]  You: I think 'Global University' lacks.

[16:11]  You: Did you see that google has recently developed a resource like wikipedia?

[16:11]  Claryssa Schmidt: yes

[16:12]  You: They're taking a kind of moderation to wikipedia approach.

[16:12]  You: With a couple of 100 articles in knol now compared with 2.5 million in wikipedia

[16:13]  SamBivalent Spork is Offline

[16:13]  You: I think they may be able to complement wikipedia in terms of credibility, but the way in which wikipedia developed gives it a

[16:14]  You: qualities of group knowledge production that are far-reaching, that a company

[16:14]  You: may not be able to achieve.

[16:14]  You: Thoughts?

[16:15]  You: For "Global University," "Knowledge University," "Rainbow Unviersity," - all possible names

[16:15]  JenzZa Misfit is Online

[16:15]  You: -Wikipedia's broad interest is fascinating

[16:16]  You: but "Knol"s moderation makes sense in some way for the development of courses.

[16:16]  You: Have you worked with wiki technologies before?

[16:16]  You: Hello Andromeda?

[16:16]  You: !

[16:16]  You: Nice to see you.

[16:17]  Andromeda Mesmer: Sorry I'm late - got held up.

[16:17]  You: Hi Dale!

[16:17]  You: Welcome

[16:17]  Dale Jakob: hello

[16:17]  You: Np - I also was slowed by traffic.

[16:18]  You: We're talking today about a global University

[16:18]  You: - envisioning one -

[16:18]  You: that would be virtual-world oriented, although anticipatory of iPhone-like devices

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[16:19]  You: open, free, degree-granting, and based on a Wikipedia model

[16:19]  You: with great Universities as key players,

[16:19]  You: and for the developing world and everyone.

[16:20]  You: Here's the wiki for this course - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

[16:20]  You: and for the very beginnings of "Global University" - http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com

[16:20]  You: Claryssa and I were just talking about "Knol" from google

[16:21]  Dnate Mars is Online

[16:21]  You: which is another online encyclopedia - a kind of moderation of Wikipedia

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[16:21]  You: , with a couple of 100 articles now, compared with 2.5 million entries currently in Wikipedia

[16:22]  You: which has excelled at engaging both the distributed aspects of the Internet, as well as engaging people to contribute through its openness.

[16:23]  You: Claryssa and I were also talking a little about possible names for this global university

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[16:23]  Dale Jakob: SecondCollege?

[16:23]  You: The moderation approach that Google's "Knol" will take

[16:24]  You: Interesting - perhaps, but in the process of talking about this over around weeks now

[16:24]  You: 7+weeks

[16:24]  You: I'd also like to include the possibilities for

[16:25]  You: an international baccalaureate on the degree- granting side - so secondary school

[16:25]  You: plus secondary school level courses

[16:25]  You: Other thoughts?

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[16:26]  You: Knowledge University and Rainbow University also came to mind

[16:26]  Dale Jakob: SI there a greateer need for high school education of college education among the people who have limited resources?

[16:26]  Dale Jakob: is

[16:27]  You: perhaps separating University and secondary education from one another

[16:27]  Dale Jakob: Yoe plan is to make both available?

[16:27]  You: Perhaps, expecially in the developing world, which I would like to focus on

[16:27]  Dale Jakob: your

[16:27]  Dale Jakob: ty

[16:27]  You: These countries include Rwanda

[16:27]  You: Ethiopia

[16:28]  You: Colombia, Haiti, Mexico

[16:29]  You: Peru, USA (Birmingham, Alabama), Uruguay

[16:29]  You: Afghanistan, Mongolia

[16:29]  Dale Jakob: Would this have aplication for home schoolers?

[16:29]  You: Cambodia, Papua New Guineau

[16:29]  You: Hi Sara and Cindy!

[16:29]  You: Welcome

[16:30]  Cindy Ecksol: hi all...

[16:30]  sara Gartenberg: hi all

[16:30]  You: As we've been envisioning this global University over almost 10 weeks

[16:30]  You: this would be wikipedia like software, starting with MIT Open Course Ware's 1800 courses

[16:31]  You: where anyone might add a course to teach, or take one

[16:31]  You: So in many of the countries above, there is a need

[16:31]  You: for all levels of courses

[16:32]  You: and specific languages - translation technologies are improving - but aren't there yet

[16:32]  You: but as I see it, starting with 4 courses at the undergraduate level at a Harvard

[16:33]  You: in conjunction with Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society - the virtual Island where we're talking

[16:33]  You: and with 1 course at the graduate level

[16:34]  You: for perhaps already matriculated students studying abroad, with a camera and graduate student instructor in a 4 courses

[16:34]  You: (see above transcript with specific thoughts about Harvard faculty)

[16:34]  You: (possible)

[16:34]  You: and four courses that are useful for each of the above countries, starting with Rwanda

[16:35]  You: would help focus teh early stages of this wiki

[16:35]  You: Hello Athena and Precious

[16:36]  You: And online courses already exist for these

[16:36]  You: - many levels

[16:36]  You: which could easily be translated

[16:36]  You: The moderation aspect of Google's "Knol"

[16:36]  You: vis-a-vis the openness of Wikipedia

[16:37]  You: in terms of a global Unviersity's courses

[16:37]  You: is something I'd love to get your thoughts about

[16:37]  You: as this type chat can be a remarkable idea generator through conversation

[16:37]  You: Hello rain!

[16:37]  Rain Ninetails: Hi!

[16:37]  Cindy Ecksol: I think the aspect of the wiki that addresses how information gets IN has been discussed ad infinitum

[16:38]  jeanrem Beebe is Online

[16:38]  Cindy Ecksol: "problems and opportunities" there are well understood

[16:38]  You: Yes, Cindy

[16:38]  Cindy Ecksol: what interests me is something different....

[16:38]  You: so, if anyone could post a course

[16:38]  You: to "Global University" - http://globaluniversity.pbiwki.com

[16:38]  You: at any level - with MIT OCW as a starting basis

[16:39]  Cindy Ecksol: ....the issue of how the availaility of the courses even WITHOUT a degree program provides opportunities....and problems too!

[16:39]  You: Agreed, and these may be similar to Wikipedias

[16:39]  Cindy Ecksol: for instance, I could see someone in, say , rwanda, working through enough courses to match any engineering degree

[16:39]  Cindy Ecksol: and even doing so competently.

[16:39]  You: which has about the same number of errors as the Encyclopedia Britannica, accrding to one study

[16:39]  Sumare Fall is Online

[16:40]  Cindy Ecksol: then going out and using those skills in real life to build bridges etc.

[16:40]  You: Yes, but if there were all levels of courses in any specific language, they would be able to work toward this

[16:40]  Cindy Ecksol: some interesting opportunities: bridges could be built in places where ordinary capital and labor might not invest

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[16:41]  Cindy Ecksol: on the other hand, what about teh human toll if those bridges are built poorly?

[16:41]  You: Yes - if information empathically mediated through this global university could open up possibilties for life improvement in the developing world

[16:41]  Cindy Ecksol: this is actually a separate issue from the "is the courseware 'good' " question

[16:42]  Cindy Ecksol: even if the courseware is perfect, the use of that information may not be

[16:42]  Bjorlyn Loon is Online

[16:42]  You: - like Wikipedia's credibility question

[16:42]  Cindy Ecksol: yes, exactly.

[16:42]  You: which develops through a kind of conversation

[16:42]  You: Well, there could also be courses for agencies that approve plans for bridge construction

[16:43]  Cindy Ecksol: on the other hand, if someone uses the courseware and then is apprenticed to an experienced engineer....

[16:43]  Cindy Ecksol: say an NGO worker for instance.....

[16:43]  Cindy Ecksol: one can see the "bootstrap" potential

[16:43]  You: There's still on - the - ground practices that influence a country's choices, say, with bridge construction

[16:44]  Cindy Ecksol: the "non-degreed" engineer might not be completely competent, but most likely would know enough to be able to catch on more quickly than someone starting from scratch

[16:44]  Cindy Ecksol: and of course the cost of getting someone to that level is extremely low

[16:44]  Cindy Ecksol: if one uses the technology....

[16:44]  You: I see these courses like knowledge in wikipedia - free, useful, editable, and being added to continually

[16:45]  You: and which would, by the way, create a remarkable archive of courses over say 1000 years

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[16:45]  Cindy Ecksol: lol!

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[16:45]  Cindy Ecksol: if we don't completely destroy the planet by then, eh?

[16:45]  You: But, emerging from a kind of open source philosophy

[16:46]  You: people would post courses only for free, as I envision it

[16:46]  Dale Jakob: How will the courses be accredited, so that they can be applied to an accredited degree?

[16:46]  You: but degree-granting courses would be on a separate track

[16:46]  Cindy Ecksol: well, I think long-term this concept will change the way we talk about "education"

[16:46]  Cindy Ecksol: when ANYONE can pick up "deep" additional knowledge on ANYTHING at low cost....

[16:46]  You: As I see it, the easiest way to develop degree-granting, Dale, and accreditation

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[16:47]  You: would be to start with an existing University's structure

[16:47]  Cindy Ecksol: I'm not sure "accreditation" is completely necessary

[16:47]  Cindy Ecksol: that's really a 20th century concept....or earlier

[16:47]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: The way we thinkand talk about education is changing with or with out this

[16:47]  You: Charlie Nesson - a founder of this Berkman Center for Internet and Society

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[16:48]  You: "is not a fan of degree-granting"

[16:48]  Diego Ibanez is Online

[16:48]  You: but I'd like to leave open the opportunity -

[16:48]  Cindy Ecksol: yes...I am in that camp too :-)

[16:48]  Cindy Ecksol: charles' camp, not yours aphilo :-)

[16:48]  You: but I think it's easiest with a University like MIT Harvard or Cal

[16:48]  You: :)

[16:49]  Cindy Ecksol: I think it will be unnecessary in the long run....there will be other ways of defining "competence"

[16:49]  Dale Jakob: What then will be the purpose of this enterprise? WIll it be for general personal self education, or to help people get better jobs, for instance?

[16:49]  You: where cameras could be put in rooms - and degrees granted to already matriculated students

[16:50]  You: How to make accreditation and degrees accessible for free to Rwandans, Ethiopians, Papau New Guineans, Cambodians from, say, Harvard, where tuition might be 50,000 a year

[16:50]  You: and to make the whole university open and free isn't clear to e

[16:50]  You: to me

[16:50]  You: but I think this would develop - perhaps through a Unviersity in a different country

[16:50]  Cindy Ecksol: actually harvard is virtually free to any student who is accepted if they don't have the money, eh?

[16:51]  You: True - and good point -

[16:51]  You: this already exists at Harvard

[16:51]  Cindy Ecksol: I think the "virutal university" is really about something other than "traditional university"

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[16:51]  You: but I wonder about starting with a university that is already totally free, and a great university

[16:51]  Cindy Ecksol: we really have no idea what the potential is....and how emplyers, for instance, will look at this in the future...

[16:52]  Cindy Ecksol: well, aphilo, I see no reason NOT to start with an existing university...

[16:52]  You: Harvard, MIT, Ivy League Schools, Stanford, U.C. Berkeley, Oxford, T.U.M., Sorbonne, L.M.U., Juilliard, Cambridge

[16:52]  jeanrem Beebe is Online

[16:52]  You: Are any of the above free?

[16:52]  You: - all examples of great universities -

[16:52]  Cindy Ecksol: but I also see no reason to keep the concept within the confines of an existing university paradigm

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[16:52]  You: I agree

[16:53]  You: I think starting with a wikipedia model, and then developing

[16:53]  You: opportunities as they arise is a fascinating idea -

[16:53]  You: and this wikipedia model could develop in very far-reaching way

[16:53]  You: ways

[16:53]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: That makes sense, Aphilo

[16:54]  Cindy Ecksol: hmmmm....in light of the statistics on wiki accuracy, doesn't it make more sense to encourage projects like MIT's Open University?

[16:54]  You: And, if we started with a open, free approach in conjunction with degree-granting, through a Cal - with already low costs to students

[16:54]  Cindy Ecksol: those courses are as high-quality as a course CAN be at any point in time....

[16:55]  You: and a 10 -11campus system, with a history of being a public University

[16:55]  You: University of California - ( Berkeley )

[16:56]  You: MIT OCW is central to what I envision here

[16:56]  You: You'll get a more specific idea of what we might envision here

[16:56]  You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com - still rudimentary, but already open !

[16:57]  You: You can start taking courses for free now here - if you are oreinted to learning on your own

[16:57]  You: but degrees aren't available for free yet anywhere at the Ph.D. level that I have seen, except perhaps in Germany.

[16:58]  You: ... and for German speakers

[16:58]  You: Can anyone mention other Universities that are free around the world?

[16:58]  You: So before we take a break for a few minutes

[16:59]  You: I'd like to encourage you to glance at the "Global University"

[16:59]  You: wiki above and here -

[16:59]  You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com

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[16:59]  You: and in the remaining hour and the last class next week,

[17:00]  You: talk about some of the particulars, as well as focus on some other kinds of courses we might explore and offer.

[17:00]  You: I'd also like to give you the opportunity to begin to add to the above wiki.

[17:01]  You: Starting on Tuesday, Aug 26, I'll be teaching "Society and Information Technology"

[17:01]  Kid Kuhn is Online

[17:01]  You: from 3:30 - 6:30 SLT -

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[17:01]  You: see this course wiki for more information - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

[17:02]  You: and we'll start with how this IT revolution represents a paradigm shift as fundamental as other industrial revolutions

[17:02]  You: So, lets' meet here at 15 minutes past the hour

[17:02]  Dale Jakob: What then will be the purpose of this enterprise? WIll it be for general personal self education, or to help people get better jobs, for instance?

[17:03]  You: (If anyone has worked on generating wikipedia technologies, please let me know)

[17:03]  You: Le'ts talk about that in 12 minutes, Dale - great question!

[17:03]  You: See you soon.

[17:04]  Dale Jakob: thanks

[17:04]  You: I'll also post the transcript

[17:04]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: ty

[17:04]  Andromeda Mesmer: I will go and run around in RL now.

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[17:15]  You: HI LL

[17:15]  You: HI ALL

[17:16]  Claryssa Schmidt: hi Rain

[17:16]  DJWeyayman Howlett is Online

[17:16]  You: I posted the transcript here

[17:16]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July-23-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-class-transcript

[17:16]  Rain Ninetails: hi! hi Claryssa!

[17:17]  You: In a broad sense, the purpose

[17:17]  You: of this global university

[17:17]  You: is to develop the 'conversation'

[17:18]  You: with some 'knowledge' orientation

[17:18]  You: that began in the ancient Greek world significantly

[17:18]  Dnate Mars is Offline

[17:18]  You: with the academy and developed into Universities

[17:19]  You: which are now extensible - with new innovations ahead -

[17:19]  You: with this worldwide real-time distributed

[17:19]  You: communication network

[17:19]  You: that is the Internet

[17:20]  You: and, by building on a wikipedia and globalvoicesonline.org

[17:20]  You: model, and focusing on the developing world (third and fourth worlds) -

[17:21]  You: especially, to start, the same countries that OLPC has begun with, (One Laptop Per Child)

[17:21]  You: make available courses and knowledge of any variety around the world

[17:21]  Sumare Fall is Offline

[17:21]  You: - the Internet and Knowledge for everyone -

[17:21]  You: but I would like to include

[17:22]  You: not only MIT OCW courses as a standard,

[17:23]  You: but also a wide variety of other possible courses, including harmonizing ones like yoga and watsu (water shiatsu) and water dance, as well as healing practices

[17:23]  You: like acupunture, and of course much of this will take

[17:23]  You: place in virtual worlds like Second Life which will develop significantly over the next years and decades

[17:24]  You: And it's already begun here - http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com - and with MIT OCW, and in many other places

[17:25]  You: but this wiki -approach cum iTunes-like software - for multimedia - would allow for the possibilit

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[17:25]  You: possibility for all of us to add and take courses - a festival of learning and idea exchange

[17:26]  You: that could extend 1000s of years into the future :) with these technologies

[17:26]  You: Want to take a course about Mozart by the most dynamic lecturer living today?

[17:26]  You: Well, if it's free, they could post it here.

[17:27]  You: And that would be easy for every instructor because it might only involve a video camera in a classroom

[17:27]  You: To make teaching inworld interactive, the instructor could teach here.

[17:28]  You: Has anyone worked with wikipedia-like software here?

[17:28]  Cindy Ecksol can't imagine that that won't be standard practice inside of 10 years

[17:28]  You: Or thoughts, observations or questions thus far?

[17:28]  Cindy Ecksol: ...the in-world teachign that is

[17:28]  Cindy Ecksol: many colleges and universities are already using "moodle" or the like

[17:28]  Cindy Ecksol: even our local high school has started to use that...

[17:28]  You: Perhaps, Cindy, but in some ways knowledge generation - say a lecture series about Mozart

[17:29]  You: has involved an instructor training there mind - their computer - and then outputting, which video can then transmit

[17:29]  You: *their

[17:30]  You: and how other technological mediation occurs - whether in SL, or with other technologies -

[17:30]  Cindy Ecksol thinks that technology will not be a limiting factor....

[17:30]  You: or through conversation , such as that which is made possible in Second Life - group chat as a kind of idea generator between knowledgable minds

[17:31]  Cindy Ecksol nods

[17:31]  You: Yes, the technologies are here and improving, and people are using them - getting iPhone-like devices to minds in Rwanda, Ethiopia, and Cambodia

[17:32]  Dale Jakob: Rural West Virginia?

[17:32]  You: and then streaming video courses to them for free, and which is useful - raises questions of 'how long?'

[17:32]  Cindy Ecksol: yes! Verizon wired WV with fiber about 10 years ago....

[17:32]  You: Yes, the digital divide may be the most significant obstacle

[17:33]  Cindy Ecksol: was a joint project with the State....oriented towards improving education

[17:33]  You: People take to the web fairly easily, but the hardware still costs

[17:33]  Cindy Ecksol: other factors have interfered though....

[17:33]  You: OLPC is one attempt at changing this

[17:33]  You: And there are lots of bureaucratic and social limitations

[17:33]  You: but these practices change

[17:34]  You: and costs will continue to come down.

[17:34]  Cindy Ecksol: :-) see also "West Virginia, social and bureaucratic problems in education systems"

[17:34]  Dale Jakob: TY

[17:34]  You: :) Simply to start posting courses, and take them, as one wants, and also for accrediation will happen.

[17:35]  You: Let's make the wiki-like technology available and user friendly.

[17:35]  You: There are lots of possible pressures that would limit this, but

[17:35]  You: open and free source software is still around.

[17:36]  You: Hacking works - and this global university

[17:37]  You: actually seems fairly easy to realize, given wikipedia's and globalvoicesonline.org successes, to name two, but also free software on one laptop per child - linux - google video, youtube - and a host of o

[17:37]  You: other software

[17:38]  You: The costs for this will be significant, in some respects,

[17:38]  You: and I'm not sure how to develop a global university foundation

[17:38]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: Use the media that is best suited for the course.

[17:38]  You: But would like to explore this further . .

[17:38]  You: Yes, Lazlo

[17:39]  You: Further thoughts, or envisionings, about global university, in t he remaining 20 minutes?

[17:39]  You: Who here teaches?

[17:39]  Dale Jakob: I have in RL.

[17:40]  You: What have you taught?

[17:40]  Cindy Ecksol teaches but only occasionally right now -- internet technologies, marketing, etc.

[17:40]  Dale Jakob: Computer technology and light programming.

[17:40]  You: And who might like to teach ?

[17:40]  You: Yes, Cindy

[17:41]  Reverielarke Wirtanen: even the term "teaching" changes with this paradigm--

[17:41]  Cindy Ecksol: students are always asking "what's next?"

[17:41]  You: How long would it take to video your course, and then post a syllabus to the web

[17:41]  Cindy Ecksol: lol! would take as many weeks as it does to teach in RL

[17:41]  Reverielarke Wirtanen: the classic model of teaching will no longer fully describe it

[17:41]  You: Yes, this is exciting Reverielarke

[17:41]  You: Much of University will change and develop with web developments

[17:42]  Cindy Ecksol: plus time to process the lectures for posting, etc.....and time for indexing, etc.

[17:42]  Dale Jakob: Will there be limits on what can and cannot be "taught"?

[17:42]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: The Milennials have be chipping away at the classic models for several year now.

[17:42]  Reverielarke Wirtanen: For instance, people not previously interested in the classic concept of teaching might well feel comfortable presenting material in this manner

[17:42]  Cindy Ecksol: just posting a syllabus and video is not sufficient.

[17:42]  Reverielarke Wirtanen: yes

[17:43]  You: Yes, I see the possibility in interactive courses in a virtual world like Second Life

[17:43]  You: to generate rich developments from conversation in type chat

[17:43]  You: for the social psychology changes

[17:43]  You: and potentially everyone can become a producer of ideas and information, as in the IT revolution itself,

[17:44]  You: very easily, and this gives rise to new conversations

[17:44]  Dale Jakob: Will there be limits on what can and cannot be "taught"? And who decides?

[17:44]  You: and in subjects where one has to learn many terms or

[17:44]  You: do complex abstract problem solving

[17:44]  Harper Beresford is Online

[17:45]  You: computer technologies can help... and teachers can draw on a variety of resources with IT that weren't previously available

[17:46]  You: Ultimately, its interaction of ideas mediated by digital environments, with 'technologies' of the mind, like reading, problem solving, creating, and semantics that will remain somewhat unchanged

[17:46]  You: Dale, as I envision it, I don't see limits, although I do worry about 1027 psychology 101 courses, for example

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[17:47]  Dale Jakob: I'm concerned about oedophiles teaching their techniques as they do in other web sitess.

[17:47]  Dale Jakob: pedophiles

[17:47]  You: But a kind of editorial process, reflecting, to start, wikipedias and globalvoicesonline.org may emerge

[17:49]  You: I think freedom of speech and openness are very important, and I haven't examined wikpedias policies about

[17:49]  You: things that are illegal in one society but legal in another, vis-a-vis their multilingual encyclopedia

[17:50]  You: but I think the web to some degree has already worked through a number of these questions.

[17:50]  You: And to make this global university incredible, both an openness and a rich conversation will help

[17:51]  You: To some degree, this is an opportunity for extraordinary teachers and autodidacts - self learners - to generate novel and innovative approaches to learning

[17:52]  Krysss Galatea is Offline

[17:52]  You: and sharing ideas, and there a lot of interesting thinkers in this world of 6.6 billion

[17:52]  You: so I think if this global university develops similarly to wikipedia, we will see a lot of innovation :)

[17:53]  You: It's innovation generating innovation in Information Technology that is exciting :)

[17:53]  You: especially concerning knowledge - Thoughts, observations

[17:53]  You: questions before we close?

[17:54]  Froukje Hoorenbeek is Offline

[17:54]  Arawn Spitteler is Online

[17:54]  You: The transcript will be here -

[17:54]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July-23-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-class-transcript

[17:54]  You: And we'll meet here next week at 4 pm SLT

[17:55]  You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/ is the course wiki

[17:55]  You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com/ is global university's wiki

[17:55]  You: and you can already start to take classes

[17:56]  Dale Jakob: I think it's an excellent idea. I plan on checking it out. Thank you.

[17:56]  Cindy Ecksol thinks maybe it's time to start that PhD work :-)

[17:56]  You: check out society and

[17:56]  You: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Science--Technology--and-Society/

[17:56]  You: Science Technology and Society

[17:56]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: Yes, this is an excellent idea, Thank you

[17:57]  You: at MIT for interesting courses on the anthropology of computing, for example

[17:57]  You: Great, Dale

[17:57]  You: For those interested, im me an email and I'll enter your names in the global university wiki

[17:57]  You: so you can add and change things

[17:58]  You: but this wiki may migrate to its own domain at some point not too long from now

[17:58]  Cindy Ecksol: well, let us know....

[17:58]  You: :) PhD work may have already begun

[17:58]  You: at least, field research

[17:59]  Andromeda Mesmer: Join the group, and get your interested friends to join Aphilo's group :)

[17:59]  You: Thanks for coming - as a nonsequitur, you may enjoy these photos of the Rainbow Family Gathering

[17:59]  You: http://picasaweb.google.com/helianth/RainbowFamilyGatheringOfLivingLight2008WyomingScottMacLeod

[18:00]  You: Some of them are quite beautiful - and it was remarkably like 1972

[18:00]  You: I'll post the transcript and also invite folks not in Soc & Info Tech - Aphilo on Berkman to the group.

[18:01]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: Thank you, All this has been fascinating.

[18:01]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: I hope to see you folks again soon.

[18:01]  Claryssa Schmidt is Offline

[18:01]  Lazlo Yoshikawa: I am need elsewhere at the moment

[18:02]  Andromeda Mesmer: Thank you for leading another interesting discussion, Aphilo.

[18:03]  Michele Mrigesh is Online

[18:03]  You: Thank you all - see you again :)

[18:03]  Rain Ninetails: :)

[18:04]  You: I've posted the transcript - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July-23-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-class-transcript

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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