Society and Information Technology in Second Life
Wednesdays, January 9 - July 30, 2008, 4-6, SLT/PT, 7-9 pm ET
on Berkman island in Second Life - http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berkman/114/70/25
Course homepage - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com
Instructor: Scott MacLeod (not on Harvard's faculty) = Aphilo Aarde (in Second Life)
http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm
July 23 2008 Soc and Info Tech class transcript
[16:06] You: Hello
[16:08] You: Hi Claryssa!
[16:08] Claryssa Schmidt: hi
[16:08] You: nice to see you
[16:08] You: Boston said he won't be here
[16:09] You: How are you?
[16:09] Claryssa Schmidt: okay
[16:09] You: What thoughts do you have about a name for this University we've been talking about?
[16:10] You: I think 'Global University' lacks.
[16:11] You: Did you see that google has recently developed a resource like wikipedia?
[16:11] Claryssa Schmidt: yes
[16:12] You: They're taking a kind of moderation to wikipedia approach.
[16:12] You: With a couple of 100 articles in knol now compared with 2.5 million in wikipedia
[16:13] SamBivalent Spork is Offline
[16:13] You: I think they may be able to complement wikipedia in terms of credibility, but the way in which wikipedia developed gives it a
[16:14] You: qualities of group knowledge production that are far-reaching, that a company
[16:14] You: may not be able to achieve.
[16:14] You: Thoughts?
[16:15] You: For "Global University," "Knowledge University," "Rainbow Unviersity," - all possible names
[16:15] JenzZa Misfit is Online
[16:15] You: -Wikipedia's broad interest is fascinating
[16:16] You: but "Knol"s moderation makes sense in some way for the development of courses.
[16:16] You: Have you worked with wiki technologies before?
[16:16] You: Hello Andromeda?
[16:16] You: !
[16:16] You: Nice to see you.
[16:17] Andromeda Mesmer: Sorry I'm late - got held up.
[16:17] You: Hi Dale!
[16:17] You: Welcome
[16:17] Dale Jakob: hello
[16:17] You: Np - I also was slowed by traffic.
[16:18] You: We're talking today about a global University
[16:18] You: - envisioning one -
[16:18] You: that would be virtual-world oriented, although anticipatory of iPhone-like devices
[16:19] Eme Capalini is Offline
[16:19] You: open, free, degree-granting, and based on a Wikipedia model
[16:19] You: with great Universities as key players,
[16:19] You: and for the developing world and everyone.
[16:20] You: Here's the wiki for this course - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com
[16:20] You: and for the very beginnings of "Global University" - http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com
[16:20] You: Claryssa and I were just talking about "Knol" from google
[16:21] Dnate Mars is Online
[16:21] You: which is another online encyclopedia - a kind of moderation of Wikipedia
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[16:21] You: , with a couple of 100 articles now, compared with 2.5 million entries currently in Wikipedia
[16:22] You: which has excelled at engaging both the distributed aspects of the Internet, as well as engaging people to contribute through its openness.
[16:23] You: Claryssa and I were also talking a little about possible names for this global university
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[16:23] Dale Jakob: SecondCollege?
[16:23] You: The moderation approach that Google's "Knol" will take
[16:24] You: Interesting - perhaps, but in the process of talking about this over around weeks now
[16:24] You: 7+weeks
[16:24] You: I'd also like to include the possibilities for
[16:25] You: an international baccalaureate on the degree- granting side - so secondary school
[16:25] You: plus secondary school level courses
[16:25] You: Other thoughts?
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[16:26] You: Knowledge University and Rainbow University also came to mind
[16:26] Dale Jakob: SI there a greateer need for high school education of college education among the people who have limited resources?
[16:26] Dale Jakob: is
[16:27] You: perhaps separating University and secondary education from one another
[16:27] Dale Jakob: Yoe plan is to make both available?
[16:27] You: Perhaps, expecially in the developing world, which I would like to focus on
[16:27] Dale Jakob: your
[16:27] Dale Jakob: ty
[16:27] You: These countries include Rwanda
[16:27] You: Ethiopia
[16:28] You: Colombia, Haiti, Mexico
[16:29] You: Peru, USA (Birmingham, Alabama), Uruguay
[16:29] You: Afghanistan, Mongolia
[16:29] Dale Jakob: Would this have aplication for home schoolers?
[16:29] You: Cambodia, Papua New Guineau
[16:29] You: Hi Sara and Cindy!
[16:29] You: Welcome
[16:30] Cindy Ecksol: hi all...
[16:30] sara Gartenberg: hi all
[16:30] You: As we've been envisioning this global University over almost 10 weeks
[16:30] You: this would be wikipedia like software, starting with MIT Open Course Ware's 1800 courses
[16:31] You: where anyone might add a course to teach, or take one
[16:31] You: So in many of the countries above, there is a need
[16:31] You: for all levels of courses
[16:32] You: and specific languages - translation technologies are improving - but aren't there yet
[16:32] You: but as I see it, starting with 4 courses at the undergraduate level at a Harvard
[16:33] You: in conjunction with Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society - the virtual Island where we're talking
[16:33] You: and with 1 course at the graduate level
[16:34] You: for perhaps already matriculated students studying abroad, with a camera and graduate student instructor in a 4 courses
[16:34] You: (see above transcript with specific thoughts about Harvard faculty)
[16:34] You: (possible)
[16:34] You: and four courses that are useful for each of the above countries, starting with Rwanda
[16:35] You: would help focus teh early stages of this wiki
[16:35] You: Hello Athena and Precious
[16:36] You: And online courses already exist for these
[16:36] You: - many levels
[16:36] You: which could easily be translated
[16:36] You: The moderation aspect of Google's "Knol"
[16:36] You: vis-a-vis the openness of Wikipedia
[16:37] You: in terms of a global Unviersity's courses
[16:37] You: is something I'd love to get your thoughts about
[16:37] You: as this type chat can be a remarkable idea generator through conversation
[16:37] You: Hello rain!
[16:37] Rain Ninetails: Hi!
[16:37] Cindy Ecksol: I think the aspect of the wiki that addresses how information gets IN has been discussed ad infinitum
[16:38] jeanrem Beebe is Online
[16:38] Cindy Ecksol: "problems and opportunities" there are well understood
[16:38] You: Yes, Cindy
[16:38] Cindy Ecksol: what interests me is something different....
[16:38] You: so, if anyone could post a course
[16:38] You: to "Global University" - http://globaluniversity.pbiwki.com
[16:38] You: at any level - with MIT OCW as a starting basis
[16:39] Cindy Ecksol: ....the issue of how the availaility of the courses even WITHOUT a degree program provides opportunities....and problems too!
[16:39] You: Agreed, and these may be similar to Wikipedias
[16:39] Cindy Ecksol: for instance, I could see someone in, say , rwanda, working through enough courses to match any engineering degree
[16:39] Cindy Ecksol: and even doing so competently.
[16:39] You: which has about the same number of errors as the Encyclopedia Britannica, accrding to one study
[16:39] Sumare Fall is Online
[16:40] Cindy Ecksol: then going out and using those skills in real life to build bridges etc.
[16:40] You: Yes, but if there were all levels of courses in any specific language, they would be able to work toward this
[16:40] Cindy Ecksol: some interesting opportunities: bridges could be built in places where ordinary capital and labor might not invest
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[16:41] Cindy Ecksol: on the other hand, what about teh human toll if those bridges are built poorly?
[16:41] You: Yes - if information empathically mediated through this global university could open up possibilties for life improvement in the developing world
[16:41] Cindy Ecksol: this is actually a separate issue from the "is the courseware 'good' " question
[16:42] Cindy Ecksol: even if the courseware is perfect, the use of that information may not be
[16:42] Bjorlyn Loon is Online
[16:42] You: - like Wikipedia's credibility question
[16:42] Cindy Ecksol: yes, exactly.
[16:42] You: which develops through a kind of conversation
[16:42] You: Well, there could also be courses for agencies that approve plans for bridge construction
[16:43] Cindy Ecksol: on the other hand, if someone uses the courseware and then is apprenticed to an experienced engineer....
[16:43] Cindy Ecksol: say an NGO worker for instance.....
[16:43] Cindy Ecksol: one can see the "bootstrap" potential
[16:43] You: There's still on - the - ground practices that influence a country's choices, say, with bridge construction
[16:44] Cindy Ecksol: the "non-degreed" engineer might not be completely competent, but most likely would know enough to be able to catch on more quickly than someone starting from scratch
[16:44] Cindy Ecksol: and of course the cost of getting someone to that level is extremely low
[16:44] Cindy Ecksol: if one uses the technology....
[16:44] You: I see these courses like knowledge in wikipedia - free, useful, editable, and being added to continually
[16:45] You: and which would, by the way, create a remarkable archive of courses over say 1000 years
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[16:45] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
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[16:45] Cindy Ecksol: if we don't completely destroy the planet by then, eh?
[16:45] You: But, emerging from a kind of open source philosophy
[16:46] You: people would post courses only for free, as I envision it
[16:46] Dale Jakob: How will the courses be accredited, so that they can be applied to an accredited degree?
[16:46] You: but degree-granting courses would be on a separate track
[16:46] Cindy Ecksol: well, I think long-term this concept will change the way we talk about "education"
[16:46] Cindy Ecksol: when ANYONE can pick up "deep" additional knowledge on ANYTHING at low cost....
[16:46] You: As I see it, the easiest way to develop degree-granting, Dale, and accreditation
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[16:47] You: would be to start with an existing University's structure
[16:47] Cindy Ecksol: I'm not sure "accreditation" is completely necessary
[16:47] Cindy Ecksol: that's really a 20th century concept....or earlier
[16:47] Lazlo Yoshikawa: The way we thinkand talk about education is changing with or with out this
[16:47] You: Charlie Nesson - a founder of this Berkman Center for Internet and Society
[16:47] Dena Dana is Offline
[16:48] You: "is not a fan of degree-granting"
[16:48] Diego Ibanez is Online
[16:48] You: but I'd like to leave open the opportunity -
[16:48] Cindy Ecksol: yes...I am in that camp too :-)
[16:48] Cindy Ecksol: charles' camp, not yours aphilo :-)
[16:48] You: but I think it's easiest with a University like MIT Harvard or Cal
[16:48] You: :)
[16:49] Cindy Ecksol: I think it will be unnecessary in the long run....there will be other ways of defining "competence"
[16:49] Dale Jakob: What then will be the purpose of this enterprise? WIll it be for general personal self education, or to help people get better jobs, for instance?
[16:49] You: where cameras could be put in rooms - and degrees granted to already matriculated students
[16:50] You: How to make accreditation and degrees accessible for free to Rwandans, Ethiopians, Papau New Guineans, Cambodians from, say, Harvard, where tuition might be 50,000 a year
[16:50] You: and to make the whole university open and free isn't clear to e
[16:50] You: to me
[16:50] You: but I think this would develop - perhaps through a Unviersity in a different country
[16:50] Cindy Ecksol: actually harvard is virtually free to any student who is accepted if they don't have the money, eh?
[16:51] You: True - and good point -
[16:51] You: this already exists at Harvard
[16:51] Cindy Ecksol: I think the "virutal university" is really about something other than "traditional university"
[16:51] jeanrem Beebe is Offline
[16:51] You: but I wonder about starting with a university that is already totally free, and a great university
[16:51] Cindy Ecksol: we really have no idea what the potential is....and how emplyers, for instance, will look at this in the future...
[16:52] Cindy Ecksol: well, aphilo, I see no reason NOT to start with an existing university...
[16:52] You: Harvard, MIT, Ivy League Schools, Stanford, U.C. Berkeley, Oxford, T.U.M., Sorbonne, L.M.U., Juilliard, Cambridge
[16:52] jeanrem Beebe is Online
[16:52] You: Are any of the above free?
[16:52] You: - all examples of great universities -
[16:52] Cindy Ecksol: but I also see no reason to keep the concept within the confines of an existing university paradigm
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[16:52] You: I agree
[16:53] You: I think starting with a wikipedia model, and then developing
[16:53] You: opportunities as they arise is a fascinating idea -
[16:53] You: and this wikipedia model could develop in very far-reaching way
[16:53] You: ways
[16:53] Lazlo Yoshikawa: That makes sense, Aphilo
[16:54] Cindy Ecksol: hmmmm....in light of the statistics on wiki accuracy, doesn't it make more sense to encourage projects like MIT's Open University?
[16:54] You: And, if we started with a open, free approach in conjunction with degree-granting, through a Cal - with already low costs to students
[16:54] Cindy Ecksol: those courses are as high-quality as a course CAN be at any point in time....
[16:55] You: and a 10 -11campus system, with a history of being a public University
[16:55] You: University of California - ( Berkeley )
[16:56] You: MIT OCW is central to what I envision here
[16:56] You: You'll get a more specific idea of what we might envision here
[16:56] You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com - still rudimentary, but already open !
[16:57] You: You can start taking courses for free now here - if you are oreinted to learning on your own
[16:57] You: but degrees aren't available for free yet anywhere at the Ph.D. level that I have seen, except perhaps in Germany.
[16:58] You: ... and for German speakers
[16:58] You: Can anyone mention other Universities that are free around the world?
[16:58] You: So before we take a break for a few minutes
[16:59] You: I'd like to encourage you to glance at the "Global University"
[16:59] You: wiki above and here -
[16:59] You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com
[16:59] Daisyblue Hefferman is Offline
[16:59] You: and in the remaining hour and the last class next week,
[17:00] You: talk about some of the particulars, as well as focus on some other kinds of courses we might explore and offer.
[17:00] You: I'd also like to give you the opportunity to begin to add to the above wiki.
[17:01] You: Starting on Tuesday, Aug 26, I'll be teaching "Society and Information Technology"
[17:01] Kid Kuhn is Online
[17:01] You: from 3:30 - 6:30 SLT -
[17:01] Daisyblue Hefferman is Online
[17:01] Diego Ibanez is Offline
[17:01] You: see this course wiki for more information - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com
[17:02] You: and we'll start with how this IT revolution represents a paradigm shift as fundamental as other industrial revolutions
[17:02] You: So, lets' meet here at 15 minutes past the hour
[17:02] Dale Jakob: What then will be the purpose of this enterprise? WIll it be for general personal self education, or to help people get better jobs, for instance?
[17:03] You: (If anyone has worked on generating wikipedia technologies, please let me know)
[17:03] You: Le'ts talk about that in 12 minutes, Dale - great question!
[17:03] You: See you soon.
[17:04] Dale Jakob: thanks
[17:04] You: I'll also post the transcript
[17:04] Lazlo Yoshikawa: ty
[17:04] Andromeda Mesmer: I will go and run around in RL now.
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[17:15] You: HI LL
[17:15] You: HI ALL
[17:16] Claryssa Schmidt: hi Rain
[17:16] DJWeyayman Howlett is Online
[17:16] You: I posted the transcript here
[17:16] You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July-23-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-class-transcript
[17:16] Rain Ninetails: hi! hi Claryssa!
[17:17] You: In a broad sense, the purpose
[17:17] You: of this global university
[17:17] You: is to develop the 'conversation'
[17:18] You: with some 'knowledge' orientation
[17:18] You: that began in the ancient Greek world significantly
[17:18] Dnate Mars is Offline
[17:18] You: with the academy and developed into Universities
[17:19] You: which are now extensible - with new innovations ahead -
[17:19] You: with this worldwide real-time distributed
[17:19] You: communication network
[17:19] You: that is the Internet
[17:20] You: and, by building on a wikipedia and globalvoicesonline.org
[17:20] You: model, and focusing on the developing world (third and fourth worlds) -
[17:21] You: especially, to start, the same countries that OLPC has begun with, (One Laptop Per Child)
[17:21] You: make available courses and knowledge of any variety around the world
[17:21] Sumare Fall is Offline
[17:21] You: - the Internet and Knowledge for everyone -
[17:21] You: but I would like to include
[17:22] You: not only MIT OCW courses as a standard,
[17:23] You: but also a wide variety of other possible courses, including harmonizing ones like yoga and watsu (water shiatsu) and water dance, as well as healing practices
[17:23] You: like acupunture, and of course much of this will take
[17:23] You: place in virtual worlds like Second Life which will develop significantly over the next years and decades
[17:24] You: And it's already begun here - http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com - and with MIT OCW, and in many other places
[17:25] You: but this wiki -approach cum iTunes-like software - for multimedia - would allow for the possibilit
[17:25] Veeyawn Spoonhammer is Offline
[17:25] You: possibility for all of us to add and take courses - a festival of learning and idea exchange
[17:26] You: that could extend 1000s of years into the future :) with these technologies
[17:26] You: Want to take a course about Mozart by the most dynamic lecturer living today?
[17:26] You: Well, if it's free, they could post it here.
[17:27] You: And that would be easy for every instructor because it might only involve a video camera in a classroom
[17:27] You: To make teaching inworld interactive, the instructor could teach here.
[17:28] You: Has anyone worked with wikipedia-like software here?
[17:28] Cindy Ecksol can't imagine that that won't be standard practice inside of 10 years
[17:28] You: Or thoughts, observations or questions thus far?
[17:28] Cindy Ecksol: ...the in-world teachign that is
[17:28] Cindy Ecksol: many colleges and universities are already using "moodle" or the like
[17:28] Cindy Ecksol: even our local high school has started to use that...
[17:28] You: Perhaps, Cindy, but in some ways knowledge generation - say a lecture series about Mozart
[17:29] You: has involved an instructor training there mind - their computer - and then outputting, which video can then transmit
[17:29] You: *their
[17:30] You: and how other technological mediation occurs - whether in SL, or with other technologies -
[17:30] Cindy Ecksol thinks that technology will not be a limiting factor....
[17:30] You: or through conversation , such as that which is made possible in Second Life - group chat as a kind of idea generator between knowledgable minds
[17:31] Cindy Ecksol nods
[17:31] You: Yes, the technologies are here and improving, and people are using them - getting iPhone-like devices to minds in Rwanda, Ethiopia, and Cambodia
[17:32] Dale Jakob: Rural West Virginia?
[17:32] You: and then streaming video courses to them for free, and which is useful - raises questions of 'how long?'
[17:32] Cindy Ecksol: yes! Verizon wired WV with fiber about 10 years ago....
[17:32] You: Yes, the digital divide may be the most significant obstacle
[17:33] Cindy Ecksol: was a joint project with the State....oriented towards improving education
[17:33] You: People take to the web fairly easily, but the hardware still costs
[17:33] Cindy Ecksol: other factors have interfered though....
[17:33] You: OLPC is one attempt at changing this
[17:33] You: And there are lots of bureaucratic and social limitations
[17:33] You: but these practices change
[17:34] You: and costs will continue to come down.
[17:34] Cindy Ecksol: :-) see also "West Virginia, social and bureaucratic problems in education systems"
[17:34] Dale Jakob: TY
[17:34] You: :) Simply to start posting courses, and take them, as one wants, and also for accrediation will happen.
[17:35] You: Let's make the wiki-like technology available and user friendly.
[17:35] You: There are lots of possible pressures that would limit this, but
[17:35] You: open and free source software is still around.
[17:36] You: Hacking works - and this global university
[17:37] You: actually seems fairly easy to realize, given wikipedia's and globalvoicesonline.org successes, to name two, but also free software on one laptop per child - linux - google video, youtube - and a host of o
[17:37] You: other software
[17:38] You: The costs for this will be significant, in some respects,
[17:38] You: and I'm not sure how to develop a global university foundation
[17:38] Lazlo Yoshikawa: Use the media that is best suited for the course.
[17:38] You: But would like to explore this further . .
[17:38] You: Yes, Lazlo
[17:39] You: Further thoughts, or envisionings, about global university, in t he remaining 20 minutes?
[17:39] You: Who here teaches?
[17:39] Dale Jakob: I have in RL.
[17:40] You: What have you taught?
[17:40] Cindy Ecksol teaches but only occasionally right now -- internet technologies, marketing, etc.
[17:40] Dale Jakob: Computer technology and light programming.
[17:40] You: And who might like to teach ?
[17:40] You: Yes, Cindy
[17:41] Reverielarke Wirtanen: even the term "teaching" changes with this paradigm--
[17:41] Cindy Ecksol: students are always asking "what's next?"
[17:41] You: How long would it take to video your course, and then post a syllabus to the web
[17:41] Cindy Ecksol: lol! would take as many weeks as it does to teach in RL
[17:41] Reverielarke Wirtanen: the classic model of teaching will no longer fully describe it
[17:41] You: Yes, this is exciting Reverielarke
[17:41] You: Much of University will change and develop with web developments
[17:42] Cindy Ecksol: plus time to process the lectures for posting, etc.....and time for indexing, etc.
[17:42] Dale Jakob: Will there be limits on what can and cannot be "taught"?
[17:42] Lazlo Yoshikawa: The Milennials have be chipping away at the classic models for several year now.
[17:42] Reverielarke Wirtanen: For instance, people not previously interested in the classic concept of teaching might well feel comfortable presenting material in this manner
[17:42] Cindy Ecksol: just posting a syllabus and video is not sufficient.
[17:42] Reverielarke Wirtanen: yes
[17:43] You: Yes, I see the possibility in interactive courses in a virtual world like Second Life
[17:43] You: to generate rich developments from conversation in type chat
[17:43] You: for the social psychology changes
[17:43] You: and potentially everyone can become a producer of ideas and information, as in the IT revolution itself,
[17:44] You: very easily, and this gives rise to new conversations
[17:44] Dale Jakob: Will there be limits on what can and cannot be "taught"? And who decides?
[17:44] You: and in subjects where one has to learn many terms or
[17:44] You: do complex abstract problem solving
[17:44] Harper Beresford is Online
[17:45] You: computer technologies can help... and teachers can draw on a variety of resources with IT that weren't previously available
[17:46] You: Ultimately, its interaction of ideas mediated by digital environments, with 'technologies' of the mind, like reading, problem solving, creating, and semantics that will remain somewhat unchanged
[17:46] You: Dale, as I envision it, I don't see limits, although I do worry about 1027 psychology 101 courses, for example
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[17:47] Dale Jakob: I'm concerned about oedophiles teaching their techniques as they do in other web sitess.
[17:47] Dale Jakob: pedophiles
[17:47] You: But a kind of editorial process, reflecting, to start, wikipedias and globalvoicesonline.org may emerge
[17:49] You: I think freedom of speech and openness are very important, and I haven't examined wikpedias policies about
[17:49] You: things that are illegal in one society but legal in another, vis-a-vis their multilingual encyclopedia
[17:50] You: but I think the web to some degree has already worked through a number of these questions.
[17:50] You: And to make this global university incredible, both an openness and a rich conversation will help
[17:51] You: To some degree, this is an opportunity for extraordinary teachers and autodidacts - self learners - to generate novel and innovative approaches to learning
[17:52] Krysss Galatea is Offline
[17:52] You: and sharing ideas, and there a lot of interesting thinkers in this world of 6.6 billion
[17:52] You: so I think if this global university develops similarly to wikipedia, we will see a lot of innovation :)
[17:53] You: It's innovation generating innovation in Information Technology that is exciting :)
[17:53] You: especially concerning knowledge - Thoughts, observations
[17:53] You: questions before we close?
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[17:54] Arawn Spitteler is Online
[17:54] You: The transcript will be here -
[17:54] You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July-23-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-class-transcript
[17:54] You: And we'll meet here next week at 4 pm SLT
[17:55] You: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/ is the course wiki
[17:55] You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com/ is global university's wiki
[17:55] You: and you can already start to take classes
[17:56] Dale Jakob: I think it's an excellent idea. I plan on checking it out. Thank you.
[17:56] Cindy Ecksol thinks maybe it's time to start that PhD work :-)
[17:56] You: check out society and
[17:56] You: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Science--Technology--and-Society/
[17:56] You: Science Technology and Society
[17:56] Lazlo Yoshikawa: Yes, this is an excellent idea, Thank you
[17:57] You: at MIT for interesting courses on the anthropology of computing, for example
[17:57] You: Great, Dale
[17:57] You: For those interested, im me an email and I'll enter your names in the global university wiki
[17:57] You: so you can add and change things
[17:58] You: but this wiki may migrate to its own domain at some point not too long from now
[17:58] Cindy Ecksol: well, let us know....
[17:58] You: :) PhD work may have already begun
[17:58] You: at least, field research
[17:59] Andromeda Mesmer: Join the group, and get your interested friends to join Aphilo's group :)
[17:59] You: Thanks for coming - as a nonsequitur, you may enjoy these photos of the Rainbow Family Gathering
[17:59] You: http://picasaweb.google.com/helianth/RainbowFamilyGatheringOfLivingLight2008WyomingScottMacLeod
[18:00] You: Some of them are quite beautiful - and it was remarkably like 1972
[18:00] You: I'll post the transcript and also invite folks not in Soc & Info Tech - Aphilo on Berkman to the group.
[18:01] Lazlo Yoshikawa: Thank you, All this has been fascinating.
[18:01] Lazlo Yoshikawa: I hope to see you folks again soon.
[18:01] Claryssa Schmidt is Offline
[18:01] Lazlo Yoshikawa: I am need elsewhere at the moment
[18:02] Andromeda Mesmer: Thank you for leading another interesting discussion, Aphilo.
[18:03] Michele Mrigesh is Online
[18:03] You: Thank you all - see you again :)
[18:03] Rain Ninetails: :)
[18:04] You: I've posted the transcript - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July-23-2008-Soc-and-Info-Tech-class-transcript
Berkeley, California
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