Society and Information Technology in Second Life

Wednesdays, January 9 - July 30, 2008, 4-6, SLT/PT, 7-9 pm ET

on Berkman island in Second Life - http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berkman/114/70/25

 Course homepage - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

Instructor: Scott MacLeod (not on Harvard's faculty) = Aphilo Aarde (in Second Life)

http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm

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[16:11]  Boston Hutchinson: This is a class:

[16:11]  Boston Hutchinson: http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/

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[16:12]  Boston Hutchinson: We're missing the professor at the moment.

[16:12]  Boston Hutchinson: Everybody is welcome!

[16:12]  Danielle Bradley: I've had two copies of SL on one PC at once

[16:12]  Claryssa Schmidt: hi Aphilo

[16:12]  Boston Hutchinson: He's here!

[16:12]  Andromeda Mesmer: Greetings, Aphilo.

[16:12]  Boston Hutchinson: Hi Aphilo

[16:12]  Andromeda Mesmer: Is the jump because you are delighted with the new SL client?

[16:12]  You: Hi All - \

[16:13]  You: first time I've had computer problems with my macbook

[16:13]  You: in 1.5 years

[16:13]  You: apologies

[16:13]  You: Welcome Danielle

[16:13]  Andromeda Mesmer: I was late too.

[16:13]  Danielle Bradley: Hi

[16:13]  You: I'm using a library computer in Wyoming

[16:14]  You: they're allowing me to use it even after the library is closed

[16:14]  You: which is great - Thanks to the Pinedale Library.

[16:14]  Danielle Bradley: that's cool

[16:14]  Andromeda Mesmer: We have nice librarians like that here in Toronto too.

[16:14]  Andromeda Mesmer: Thank you, Pinedale library staff!

[16:14]  You: (I'm attending the Rainbow Gathering, with an ethnogrpaphic research in progress, as well.)

[16:15]  You: Tonight I'd like to continue to examine

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[16:15]  You: envisioning a global, degree-granting, open, free, virtual world University

[16:16]  You: with Harvard as a key player, using a Wikipedia model, (with iTunes-like software for the multimedia)

[16:16]  You: and start to engage the wiki that I've begun here

[16:16]  You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com

[16:17]  You: At least one person I know has added to it

[16:17]  You: And it's a vision that is very broad

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[16:17]  You: Danielle and Tinder - I've posted transcripts to socinfotech.pbwiki.com

[16:18]  Tinder Watanabe: hi

[16:18]  You: from the past 7 classes or so where we've examined this idea -

[16:18]  You: we're proceeding from this point, but

[16:18]  You: this is a class where you are welcome to chat / type at any timne

[16:19]  You: And questions, observations, and thought enrich the conversation - which type chat engenders

[16:19]  Tinder Watanabe: thank you

[16:19]  Claryssa Schmidt is Offline

[16:20]  You: Here type chat is a kind of idea generator, so please . . .

[16:20]  You: Using a wikipedia model, which engages potentially, and over time

[16:21]  You: all languages, and all nation states

[16:21]  You: - wikipedia has a couple of million entries in it

[16:21]  You: I'd like to see how we might create the opportunity for a global university

[16:22]  You: that opens the possibility for people to both teach and learn, using a convergence of Second Life, Open Sim, Croquet and especially

[16:22]  You: engaging MIT Open Course Ware

[16:23]  You: This wiki started just under a week ago

[16:23]  Michele Mrigesh is Online

[16:23]  You: and, as you'll see

[16:23]  You: in a sense, it already offers, through linking the 1800 MIT OCW courses -which, for autidacts -self learners

[16:24]  You: which it seems we all are - allows us to start learning now

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[16:24]  You: In addition, someone I know has posted Univ of Washington and Yale University open courses, as well as the Open Univeristy's courses in Brtain

[16:25]  You: The open University offers Ph.D.s, MBAs and many other degrees already,

[16:25]  Arawn Spitteler is Offline

[16:25]  You: but not degree courses for free- but still very inexpensively.

[16:25]  You: Links are in the wiki -

[16:25]  You: And they've done this for years.

[16:26]  You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com

[16:26]  You: is the address for this nascent project

[16:27]  You: and under 'courses,' you'll see the links above

[16:27]  You: so like wikipedia, I'd like to eventually open this wiki to everyone to add courses to teach and from which to learn.

[16:28]  You: In this class, we'll look at each of the folders on the wiki

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[16:28]  You: You'll see, too, that

[16:29]  You: iTunes is listed, but iTunes University, seems to be just multimedia channels

[16:29]  You: with multiple offerings from different universities

[16:30]  You: I started taking classes in CyberOne: Law in the Court of Public Opinion

[16:30]  You: Hi Jazz

[16:30]  You: in the fall of 2006

[16:30]  Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: hi Aphilo :)

[16:30]  Boston Hutchinson: ITunes has a lot of great lectures, but they don't seem to be indexed by subject matter, so it's hard to search by topic.

[16:30]  You: with Charlie Nesson, Gene Koo and Rebecca Nesson here in this meeting area

[16:31]  You: and their class is listed as well.

[16:31]  You: Yes, Boston, thanks -

[16:31]  You: so a Wikipedia will offer many possibilities for creating a directory to any class imaginable, over time, if we instantiate it

[16:32]  You: You'll see the other courses from Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society

[16:32]  You: that have been taught all or part in SL

[16:32]  You: and they are all still availabe.

[16:32]  You: So perhaps you know of some courses you could add

[16:33]  You: Open and free are two criteria

[16:33]  You: and I'll give you permissions to add if you give me your e-mail address at teh end of class

[16:33]  You: - to teach or learn -

[16:33]  You: There is a lot of potential here

[16:34]  You: For one, I see the opportunity to create

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[16:35]  You: an academic program - Ph.D. MD and electrical engineering degrees - here virtually

[16:35]  You: and over time - starting with MIT's OPen Course WAre

[16:35]  You: as a standard

[16:36]  You: but also - wikipedia-like - the possibility to add any course imaginable, including for example, watsu courses, music courses - classical, INdian and Western, with instrument training

[16:36]  You: thanks to virtual worlds

[16:37]  Andromeda Mesmer: Aphilo -- instrument training???

[16:37]  You: As you'll see from the courses' page example

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[16:37]  You: most classes you can take now - like those at MIT - are browser based

[16:38]  You: The Courses at Harvard's Berkman Center have all had a significant SL component

[16:38]  You: and this course is solely based in SL, so it's more interactive

[16:38]  Dena Dana is Online

[16:39]  You: The material we've covered during the semesters, about the Info Tech revolution, has been more empirically grounded than this envisioning of "Global University"

[16:39]  You: and as you'll see from the MIT OCW - courses in cyberspace are very vigorous.

[16:40]  You: or can be, but I also see them as going in any direction

[16:41]  You: In this envisioning process, I would also like to see all levels of education engaged - including secondary school, with an international Baccalaureate for the high school level

[16:41]  Claryssa Schmidt is Online

[16:42]  You: and like MIT's OCW, as 'automated,' in part, as possible,

[16:42]  You: then as technologies develop, and interactivity increases - avatar faces becoming 'real' - and multiple other changes

[16:42]  You: human interaction, mediated by virtual worlds and innovation, will affect

[16:43]  You: and improve the learning process

[16:43]  You: In some ways, virtual Worlds, like SL, are

[16:43]  You: simply forums, but info tech opens all kinds of new possibilities, where we become the envisioners and the producers of information

[16:43]  You: Hello Claryssa, again . . .

[16:44]  Claryssa Schmidt: hi

[16:44]  You: so, in terms of degrees,

[16:45]  You: PH.D., MD, Electrical Engineering, Law, International Baccalaureate, and certificates

[16:45]  You: as these technologies are extensible.

[16:45]  You: I suspect you may have questions and thoughts

[16:45]  You: Observations?

[16:45]  You: What would you add?

[16:46]  You: Already, some of us may be teaching in SL

[16:46]  Boston Hutchinson: I wonder--if there were an index of lectures and courses on the web, whether people might sign up for discussion groups in SL related to some of those lectures.

[16:47]  You: and if we can do everything we do in a physical classroom here, and engage the wikipedia model that is infinitely extensible, I thinking shaping the interface will allow us all to participate

[16:47]  Danielle Bradley: that's a good idea

[16:47]  Boston Hutchinson: Discussions could be moderated by a professor of grad student--or not.

[16:47]  You: That's another direction this wiki can move in . . .

[16:48]  Andromeda Mesmer: Good idea, Boston.

[16:48]  Andromeda Mesmer: Actually, EXCELLENT idea.

[16:48]  You: YEs, for example, it was Rebecca Nesson's office hours in CyberOne in 2006 where conversations that were rich flow experiences emerged.

[16:49]  You: In conjunction with making this process as automated, in part, as possible, as well as fun

[16:49]  Arawn Spitteler is Online

[16:49]  You: look at the third folder on the global university wiki - "Educational Software"

[16:50]  You: "immune Attack" made by the Federation of Scientists

[16:50]  You: fas.org/immundeattack

[16:50]  You: does this by teaching about the immune system in the form of a video game.

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[16:51]  Boston Hutchinson: I wonder if a bulletin board sort of approach on the wiki would work, so that anybody who was interested in a particular course or lecture could index it and create a signup list.

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[16:51]  You: That's an interesting idea that doesn't seem to have a correlate with

[16:52]  You: wikipedia - although the 'talk' option allows people to share views about an entry, particularly differing ones

[16:52]  You: So, yes . . . that would increase interactivity

[16:52]  You: Hello Budd

[16:52]  You: So, th ink of this conversation together as a brainstorming session

[16:53]  You: These lists and directories potentially can grow very long

[16:54]  You: so info tech will be very useful here - think of Vanguard Mutual Fund's software, which seems very well conceived, and like much in info tech does what Global University might like to do, very well.

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[16:55]  You: I think Global University will need a foundation, for as Global University grows, there will be cost - servers, and much, much more, as well as salaries for faculty (with Ph.D.s?) n degree granting courses

[16:56]  You: and I won't underestimate potential costs - they will be very high . . .

[16:56]  You: but like wikipedia, which also has a foundation,

[16:57]  You: I think this will be a bigger project, with faculty video, and, as I said, 200 or so countries, and many languages - 3000? or as many are in wikipedia?

[16:58]  You: Costs will be considerable, and a foundation will help organize this,

[16:58]  You: as well, as a donation button, as on the top of every Wikipedia page

[16:59]  You: But free to students also is key, in that while this Glboal University is for the developing University (and everyone) with MIT OCW standards, it

[16:59]  You: will be successful in teh developing world because it is free

[16:59]  You: If you and I and everyone who posts can

[17:00]  You: make courses fascinating and fun,

[17:00]  You: at the Univ level, it will open many opportunities for

[17:00]  You: many people

[17:00]  You: -using the wikipedia model

[17:01]  You: Questions before we take a break?

[17:01]  You: Observations?

[17:01]  Michele Mrigesh is Online

[17:01]  You: Let's meet again at 12 minutes past the hour to continue to explore these possibilites . . .

[17:01]  Budd Raymaker: what kind of accreditation will the university have?

[17:02]  Andromeda Mesmer: OK.

[17:02]  You: Good qeustion, Budd . . .

[17:02]  You: Let's talk about that in 10 minutes - you may have some good ideas . . .

[17:02]  Budd Raymaker: ill let you think about it till after

[17:02]  Budd Raymaker: ok

[17:02]  You: Great - see you soon

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[17:13]  You: Hello

[17:13]  You: I've posted the wiki - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com/July%202%202008%20Soc%20and%20Info%20Tech%20class%20transcript

[17:13]  You: And, Budd,

[17:14]  You: as I envision it now, and have been doing for some weeks, I'd would like to explore the possibility, as one option, of starting with Harvard potentially, through the Berkman Center

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[17:15]  You: to shape, over a ten year horizon, for example, giving credit to Harvard students, who are already matriculated

[17:15]  You: for courses they take only in a virtual world

[17:16]  You: , perhaps just starting with 4 undergraduate courses and 1 graduate Law School course, taught by Charlie Nesson - a course of his choosing - if he might interested

[17:16]  You: *be interested

[17:17]  Boston Hutchinson: So existing universities might approve courses for credit?

[17:17]  You: (He's already given credit for a Harvard Law School Course in CyberOne in the fall of 2006, for work done partly in a virtual world)

[17:17]  You: and then, gradually increase the number of courses for which credit is possible virtually,

[17:18]  You: available, for example, to Harvard students studying abroad, both graduate and undergraduate

[17:18]  Budd Raymaker: ok i'm glad to hear that you are already planning for credit on courses

[17:19]  You: and then, in aroudn 10 years open the possible for a Harvard degree for work done virtually

[17:19]  You: only.

[17:19]  You: I'm interested in your thoughts about the following, vis-a-vis your question, Boston.

[17:20]  You: How to extend credit options to other students, while still maintaining MIT OCW academic standards and Harvard standards?

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[17:20]  You: Thoughts?

[17:20]  Boston Hutchinson: It seems to me that the standards will have to be allowed to vary considerably from course to course.

[17:21]  You: Create a network of schools with similar entrance standards, lkie

[17:21]  You: Harvard, MIT, Ivy League Schools, Stanford, U.C. Berkeley, Oxford, T.U.M., Sorbonne, L.M.U., Juilliard, Cambridge?

[17:21]  You: Univ of Chicago, Cal TEch, etc.?

[17:21]  You: Perhaps, Boston

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[17:21]  Boston Hutchinson: A school could sponsor a course, thereby certifying it (or not)

[17:22]  You: Cornell sponsoring a Harvard course, for example, Boston?

[17:22]  Budd Raymaker: every student would have to have grading and attendence policies that was a set of standards to pass the course

[17:22]  Boston Hutchinson: Is there a difference between listing (indexing) a course on the wiki and that course being offered by the global university? How virtual is this?

[17:23]  You: And how to open this up, while making learning very fun, and reshaping aspects of education with info technology?

[17:23]  Boston Hutchinson: I should think that the professors could set the standards for grading and testing, but they might need some technical help to ensure that students are "real"

[17:24]  You: Good idea, Budd, that would locate courses as the standard setters

[17:24]  Budd Raymaker: sometimes evalution forms for the teacher are helpful too

[17:24]  You: How to move from a Harvard matriculated-centric model to this model over 10 years might become clearer with time.

[17:25]  You: Boston, I see two possible tracks emerging, degree and non-degree, all listed on the wiki.

[17:25]  Budd Raymaker: it seems you have been thinking about this for alot and there is a solid foundation to start

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[17:25]  You: And all accsible soley in virtual worlds ( a camera in a new MIT lecture series, for example, with interactive TAs).

[17:25]  Dena Dana is Offline

[17:26]  You: Yes, Boston - authentication becomes significant -

[17:27]  You: in paper writing classes, which are rigorous, material from the course must be engaged, and might help to assist in an understanding of who is real

[17:27]  Harper Beresford is Online

[17:27]  You: Yes, Budd, that, too could be automated

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[17:27]  You: Thanks, Budd . . . yes,

[17:28]  You: but Harvard's Berkman Center is key, in option 1

[17:29]  You: Building on an existing structure would make this much easier, than starting afresh

[17:29]  You: So, let's continue with the Global University folders

[17:29]  You: in our remaining time

[17:30]  You: For the developing world, and potential students and teachers, who don't have computers

[17:30]  You: OLPC is one direction

[17:30]  You: for Hardware Resource Possibilities

[17:30]  You: but this is an issue of the digital divide

[17:30]  You: and hardware still costs money

[17:31]  Boston Hutchinson: I wonder if a scaled-down SL client could be created to run on OLPC.

[17:31]  You: Governments and aobut 6 or 7 private companies have hlepd finance One Laptop Per Child

[17:31]  You: That seems possible, as well as on an iPhone? - and olpc will eventually get 1 gig of RAM

[17:31]  Boston Hutchinson: There is a company designing a virtual world that has a desktop and a mobile version, where the mobile version is very simplified graphically.

[17:32]  You: what's the url?

[17:32]  Boston Hutchinson: I'll have to look for it. don't know.

[17:33]  You: ok. . . . In terms of languages

[17:33]  You: and a wikpedia approach, I think all languages would be great, and indeed important.

[17:34]  You: I think the Scots' Gaelic community, for example, might see this as a remarkable opportunity for sharing the teaching of gaelic to the world

[17:34]  You: as well as many other courses

[17:34]  You: and many groups would see the opportunity to teach and learn in their own language

[17:35]  You: http://globaluniversity.pbwiki.com/Directory-of-Languages-for-Global-University-courses

[17:35]  You: Here are a list of languages to begin with

[17:35]  Boston Hutchinson: Apparently there are a lot of them now. Google: "mobile virtual worlds"

[17:35]  You: as they are already wikpedias, so we know there's interest and software

[17:35]  You: great . . .

[17:36]  You: And I think we might divide languages wiki page into Africa, Asia, AMericas, Oceania, etc

[17:37]  You: A nation states folder also seems important

[17:37]  You: as this Global University adn school wiki started to articulate

[17:37]  You: with national and local school systems

[17:38]  You: Being able to search by nation state for courses, would make possible a harmony with local school systems.

[17:39]  Dena Dana is Online

[17:39]  You: and might also open the way for multiple additions to this wiki locally based on nation state or state party, that would then be engagable with other languages, as translators improve

[17:39]  You: imagine a record, too, for archival and learning possibilities, of great faculty from around the world :)))

[17:40]  You: because, of course, this would grow over time

[17:40]  You: So, for subject matter

[17:40]  You: I think starting with MIT OCW

[17:41]  You: and then including traditional academic subject matter

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[17:42]  You: such as English poetry, computer science, biology, and anthropology, as well as courses like watsu, but also so many others is incredible as an opportunity

[17:42]  You: for those who want to engage it, as well as for those already in Universities and secondary schools, wherever.

[17:42]  You: I would look forward to taking these classes in multiple ways

[17:43]  You: And to begin to explore how medical degrees, veterinary medicine degrees, law degrees, musical degrees, art degrees as sugject matters would take shape here i

[17:44]  You: is both fascinating, but builds upon MIT OCW, and probably a lot of other course work out there.

[17:44]  You: And to make this feasible over time, a virtual world professors' association, which Boston suggested at one point,

[17:45]  You: would allow for instruction of faculty in how to teach in virtual worlds, as well as multiple other possibilities.

[17:46]  You: So how to build the wiki, how to begin to let people know about it - that people can already start to take MIT, Yale, Univ of Washcourses

[17:46]  You: is great . . . one wiki with all of this might be very helpful.

[17:47]  You: How empathically to offer what people need an want, course-wise, is another question I have

[17:47]  You: even vis-a-vis questions of making University level courses fun, and exploratory of unique and relatively underexplored aspects of the human condition, such as loving bliss

[17:48]  You: are all possible through such a wiki. :)))

[17:48]  Boston Hutchinson: What do virtual students want? Do they want degrees? Traditional courses? Courses focusing on virtual world technology?

[17:48]  You: Anyone can teach and anyone can learn, about anything here, in this Global University which is already happening.

[17:49]  You: I'm not sure Wikipedia writers new that

[17:49]  You: *knew that before wikipedia started

[17:49]  Aidan Aquacade is Offline

[17:49]  You: And i"m curious to see

[17:50]  Budd Raymaker: the trouble with wiki is that it contains errors and myths

[17:50]  You: So, in the last 10 minutes,

[17:50]  You: conversation - great

[17:50]  Budd Raymaker: wikipediia**

[17:50]  You: Yes, Budd - but these potentially get corrected over time.

[17:50]  Boston Hutchinson: Who and what will be the key factors driving development of a virtual global university? Students? professors? Established universities? Employers?

[17:51]  You: through discussion - the talk page - and subsequent edits, so this consensual knowledge

[17:51]  Perry Proudhon is Offline

[17:51]  Andromeda Mesmer: People who are completely outside, like maybe high school teachers? Gifted amateurs?

[17:51]  You: production process becomes timely and refined, too - caveat emptor - buyer beware

[17:51]  Budd Raymaker: there is no real incentive to share on wikipedia but somehow it still worked

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[17:52]  You: If there are options like MIT OCW and a high level alternative Unviersity course work vision as well, people will be able to choose

[17:52]  Andromeda Mesmer: Sure there is incentive -- but it is different and not everybody has it -- the desire to contribute, for free, to be admired by your peers perhaps.

[17:52]  You: it's a unique kind of commons - and, like Hacking, people do get back over time...

[17:53]  You: Yes, Andromeda

[17:53]  You: Great questions, Boston

[17:53]  You: Hi FredeIN

[17:53]  You: (last few minutes of a discussion on global university)

[17:53]  Budd Raymaker: is there a group?

[17:54]  Boston Hutchinson: I wonder whether degrees and credentials might lose significance if education is really available free.

[17:54]  You: soc & info tech ~ aphilo on Berkman is the group, Budd

[17:54]  You: and http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com is the wiki

[17:55]  Andromeda Mesmer: Boston, I think they would lose significance if they get watered down severely.

[17:55]  You: I think the wikipedia model might define what a key driver will be, and if Harvard's Berkman Center engages this . . . then big University, too, to respond to IT, and to meet their own needs

[17:55]  You: what might get watered down, Andromeda?

[17:56]  Budd Raymaker: i think information on how to help build virtual universities is important

[17:56]  You: Universities are already developing approaches to non market information production quesitons and implications of IT in multiple ways

[17:56]  Andromeda Mesmer: Degrees getting watered down -- I was responding to Boston's query about free degrees vs paid degrees.

[17:57]  Boston Hutchinson: Yes, Andromeda, and as you pointed out, high school teachers and amateurs, among others, might have as much to contribute as professors, so the focus might shift from qualifications toward expertise, with or without credentials.

[17:57]  You: Yes, Budd, that could easily be included in this wiki . . . although it's already open, and a beginning University

[17:57]  You: and a wiki opens these possibilities

[17:57]  Andromeda Mesmer: The thing with degrees is -- it's the amount of work that is put into earning them that is of value, not the amount of money paid for them.

[17:57]  You: for everyone, and around the world . . .

[17:58]  You: yes, and one is really training one's own mind in a specific field of knowledge - so the university just provides a structure for

[17:58]  You: auto-didacticism, in a way.

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[17:58]  You: A degree represents this in many ways . . .

[17:59]  Gwyneth Llewelyn is Offline

[17:59]  You: and self-learners are often the most focused and Global University makes this all the more possible.

[18:00]  You: So, let's close for this evening, as I'm a Pinedale Library computer

[18:00]  You: It's very nice to converse with you, and we'll meet next week here 4-6 Pacific Time / Second LIfe Time

[18:01]  You: This is an exciting opportunity, that wikipedia-like can happen organically.

[18:01]  Jayne Urqhart is Offline

[18:01]  Andromeda Mesmer: Aphilo -- hope you told the librarians that they could join the group too?

[18:01]  You: Budd, Claryssa, Andromeda - what are your e-mail addresses so I can add them to the wiki, if you would like to make changes.

[18:02]  You: not yet - would you?

[18:02]  You: im to me, if you wish

[18:02]  Andromeda Mesmer: My email isn't working at the moment :( Problem -- get mail in, but can't put anything out.

[18:03]  Budd Raymaker: somtimes your ip address gets blocked

[18:03]  Boston Hutchinson: Thanks for class, Aphilo, and all... I have to go. Packing for a family trip. See you all net time!

[18:03]  Boston Hutchinson is Offline

[18:04]  Budd Raymaker: my sl friend is helping with the metanomics project

[18:04]  Budd Raymaker: with cornell

[18:04]  You: Great - Thank you all

[18:05]  Cindy Ecksol is Online

[18:05]  Budd Raymaker is Online

[18:05]  Budd Raymaker: ok thanks

[18:05]  You: I added you Budd, Claryssa and Andromedea to Global University wiki

[18:05]  Budd Raymaker: cool

[18:05]  Andromeda Mesmer: Good.

[18:05]  You: So see you next week - I'll post the transcript and thanks!

[18:05]  You: See you soon.

[18:05]  Budd Raymaker: cya

[18:06]  Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: ty

[18:06]  Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: :)

[18:06]  Budd Raymaker is Offline

[18:07]  Andromeda Mesmer: Thanks, Aphilo - glad you made it from the library.

[18:07]  Andromeda Mesmer: See you next week.

[18:07]  Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: excellent topic :)