Society and Information Technology in Second Life

Wednesdays, August 29 - December 12 , 2007, 4-6, SLT/PT, 7-9 pm E.T. on Berkman island in Second Life

  Course homepage - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com

 

 

Instructor: Scott MacLeod (not on Harvard's faculty) = Aphilo Aarde (in Second Life)

http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm 

 

Aug 29 07 Soc and Info Tech in SL

 

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[16:00]  Kid Kuhn: Hey again

[16:00]  You: Hello Kid

[16:00]  Kid Kuhn: Did I get the time wrong?

[16:00]  You: this is the correct time . . . waiting to see who comes . . .

[16:00]  Kid Kuhn: Ah oki. :)

[16:01]  Kid Kuhn: The sandbox is full of crazy builders!

[16:01]  You: What are your interests in information technology and society?

[16:01]  You: Yea . . . SL makes that interesting and possible . . .

[16:01]  Kid Kuhn: Sorry

[16:01]  Kid Kuhn: Im getting IM swamped

[16:01]  You: Are you a greybeard in RL? :)

[16:02]  Kid Kuhn: No

[16:02]  Kid Kuhn: Im a blonde swedish lady

[16:02]  Kid Kuhn: My interest is sociological I guess. :) Im doing my phd in sociology

[16:02]  You: Living in Sweden at 3 in the morning, or so? :)

[16:02]  Kid Kuhn: Its 1 am now

[16:02]  You: Great . . .

[16:03]  You: Where in Sweden?

[16:03]  You have offered friendship to Kid Kuhn

[16:03]  Kid Kuhn: Gothenburg

[16:03]  Kid Kuhn is Online

[16:03]  You: I've never been there.

[16:03]  Kid Kuhn: I saw the other class on tuesdays first, but this one is late enough. :)

[16:03]  You: what are you studying in particular?

[16:03]  You: Yes . . .

[16:03]  You: Did you see it on AIR-L?

[16:04]  Kid Kuhn: Well I have been working with research ethics and Im also trying to think about a study on slavery/submission

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[16:04]  Kid Kuhn: Yes I did!

[16:04]  Kid Kuhn: Was very happy to see it

[16:04]  You: Great . . .

[16:04]  Kid Kuhn: Thought I might be a bit overqualified.. hehe, but I love attending any events like this

[16:04]  You: Are you familiar with Hans Rosling?

[16:04]  Kid Kuhn: No.. dont think so

[16:05]  You: He's a Swedish professor of public health, in part, and a statistician . . .

[16:05]  You: He's given some very interesting TED talks . . .

[16:05]  You: Here's a link to one:

[16:05]  Kid Kuhn: Ah oki, well I think I recall the name but dont think I have read or heard anything in particular about/by him

[16:06]  You: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/92

[16:06]  You: It's a dynamic talk . . .

[16:06]  You: Let's talk a little about the course, and see who arrives . .

[16:07]  You: I was told enrollment was very low at the Univ I teach, but am interested in teaching in SL . . .

[16:07]  Kid Kuhn: omg his swedish accent is funny

[16:07]  Kid Kuhn: hehe

[16:07]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah very unfortunate if noone shows up!

[16:07]  You: Yes . . .

[16:07]  Kid Kuhn: Perhaps its a matter of advertising? Dont think there should be low interest

[16:08]  You: Let's get started . . .

[16:08]  You: Please check out the video and the talk on the syllabus for next week . . .

[16:08]  Kid Kuhn: Not the Rosling video?

[16:08]  You: That's interesting, in addition :)

[16:09]  Kid Kuhn: hehe ok

[16:09]  You: I'd to go over what we'll cover in the course . . .

[16:09]  Kid Kuhn: The vid is not playing

[16:10]  You: and also talk about what's significant in terms of a paradigm shift in the information technology revolution.

[16:10]  You: A little background:

[16:11]  You: I first took a course here in the fall of 2006 with Charlie Nesson, Becca and Gene Koo in Cyberone Law in the court of Public Opinion

[16:11]  You: What was so interesting was the possibility

[16:11]  You: for group talks due to these new technologies

[16:12]  You: Charlie Nesson, a long time Harvard Law Professor, also is quite visionary . . . and included many different facets to his class . . .

[16:12]  You: He has made the opportunity to teach on Berkman . .

[16:13]  Kid Kuhn: How has he mad the oportunity?

[16:13]  Kid Kuhn: He made the island?

[16:13]  You: So what's unique about the information age

[16:13]  You: are 5 characteristics, per Manuel Castells . . .

[16:14]  You: Together they help explain many of the significant changes we are living through . . .

[16:14]  You: (Charlie Nesson founded the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard)

[16:15]  You: (in 1997 or so)

[16:15]  You: Hi Sanz . . .

[16:15]  You: (So Nesson has both given rise to the vision that led to Berkman Island, and he has faciliated making it happen)

[16:16]  Kid Kuhn: Ok Aphilo interesting I saw a vid with him in it the other dat

[16:16]  You: Sanz, are you here for the course on Society and Info Tech

[16:16]  You: ?

[16:16]  You: Which video was that , Kid?

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[16:17]  You: I'll pass on the link to a series of video lectures in his course, momentarily . . .

[16:18]  Kid Kuhn: Let me look

[16:18]  Kid Kuhn: It was a guy lecturing him on SL

[16:18]  You: The Information Technology revolution however is unique because it's about Information Generation and processing, in contrast to previous industrial revoltuions.

[16:18]  Kid Kuhn: The big dude.. whats he called

[16:18]  You: That's one starting point for this course . .

[16:18]  You: Which big dude?

[16:18]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah sounds good Aphilo

[16:18]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah.. hehe

[16:18]  Kid Kuhn: Im trying to think how to get the link

[16:18]  You: Sanz - are you here for this course?

[16:19]  Kid Kuhn: I found it on the website of the person who holds the second course you advertised

[16:19]  You: I see

[16:20]  You: Previous industrial revolutions have been about energy, chemicals, metals, telecommunications. . . .and synergies that

[16:20]  You: have arisen as a consequence of the development of these materials and processes . . .

[16:21]  Kid Kuhn: This one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=T_akmmr0ReI

[16:21]  You: The Information Technology revolution I'd like to argue started significantly with the transistor and the semiconductor in the 40s and 50s

[16:21]  You: is signficantly different from previous synergies

[16:21]  You: Thanks . . .

[16:22]  You: that led to significant changes in socioeconomic processes . . .

[16:23]  You: So what makes information generation and processing signficant is that it affects and pervades every aspect of the socioeconmic

[16:23]  You: socioeconomic processes . . .

[16:23]  Kid Kuhn: This makes it diffrent from other technology?

[16:24]  You: (I'd like to create the opportunity for dialogue this evening)

[16:24]  Kid Kuhn: Good!

[16:24]  Kid Kuhn smiles

[16:24]  You: Let's talk . . . :)

[16:25]  Kid Kuhn: Im kind of following but there are some big words here that Im not sure of the exact contents of

[16:25]  You: Yes . . . information process ing and generation as the significant characteristic of the network society

[16:25]  You: are unique to what arose with computers and the internet.

[16:26]  You: What questions do you have?

[16:26]  You: Which ideas?

[16:26]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah

[16:26]  Kid Kuhn: Chat lag sorry

[16:26]  You: I'll try to give an overview at first, which will perhaps contextualize this for you . . .

[16:27]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah go on!

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[16:27]  You: So this technological paradigm which is informing the IT revolution is

[16:28]  You: 1) about Information processing and generation

[16:28]  You: 2) it pervades and affects every aspect of socioeconomic life

[16:28]  You: 3) it's based on networking - of people, of companies, or technologies

[16:29]  You: - and this is brand new relative to the previous industrial revoltuions

[16:29]  You: 4) operates on the priniciple of flexibility

[16:30]  You: The system is such that it reorganizes and reprograms itself without disintegration

[16:30]  You: and 5) it's based on a technological convergence

[16:30]  You: in an integrating system

[16:30]  You: so that a) it's an open, not a closing system

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[16:31]  You: and b) it's only bound by technological development

[16:31]  You: These 5 characteristics are very new, and specific to this information technology revolution

[16:32]  You: and they emerge out of a very unique and specific history

[16:32]  You: which we'll talk about in this course . . .

[16:32]  You: What interests you about the information revolution, Kid?

[16:33]  Kid Kuhn: Well Im mostly interested in everyday social aspects, how/if we realate diffrently, get diffrent oportunities, if the "parameters" of cultural capital et.c.. changes and how

[16:33]  You: And from your position in Sweden, what do you see as significant developments vis-a-vis these points?

[16:34]  You: Those interest me, as well . . . a lot

[16:34]  Kid Kuhn: Haha, well thats a big question..

[16:34]  Kid Kuhn: The second one

[16:35]  Kid Kuhn: I think what I think of as most obvious is how technology is so "natural" to kids

[16:35]  You: For example, as a consequence of these developments, we all have computers, and become producers of information - cultural capital, if you will . .

[16:35]  You: That's quite novel . . .

[16:35]  You: And has far reaching implications . . .

[16:35]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah.. Im also thinking more subtile things like.. how dominance relationships, hiearcheis and such are affected

[16:35]  Kid Kuhn: Connected to feminist theory and such

[16:35]  You: Yes, kids pick it up very easily . . .

[16:36]  You: IN the network society, the digital divide is very signficant in terms of issues of dominance questions, etc.

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[16:37]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah

[16:37]  You: Those who have access to computers shape new networks, which, if not a part of, leaves one out of a signficant mode of social engagement . . .

[16:38]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah I havent read Castells but this sounds like him?

[16:38]  You: We'll talk about the digital divide and the crisis of patriarchy at later dates

[16:38]  You: Yes, I'm interested in Castells - and this course relates directly to his work.

[16:39]  Champler Snook is Online

[16:39]  You: I think he has successfully theorized the Network Society more comprehensively than most other theorists who have considered these issues . . .

[16:40]  You: so in the next couple of class, we'll

[16:40]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah its interesting, I dont know it very well so Id like to learn more about it

[16:40]  You: look at the social history of the internet - great, it's important, timely and topical -

[16:40]  You: and fascinating

[16:41]  You: looking at the geography, history and actors, for one . . .

[16:41]  You: what developed into the Network Society occurred serendipitiously

[16:42]  You: And was in part a reaction to east coast (US) hierarichally organized comnpanies

[16:42]  You: which didn't know how to engage innovation

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[16:42]  You: When people at Bell Labs in the late 1940s invented the transistor

[16:43]  You: no one knew what to do with it - a transistor is an on off switch which can control an electrical current.

[16:44]  You: And these researchers got, for example, a Nobel Prize for this research

[16:44]  You: but they couldn't do anything with it . . .

[16:44]  You: so they ended up moving to the West Coast . . .

[16:45]  You: Big companies on the east coast - RCA, for exmaple, were developing audio components using vacuum tubes- no need for the transsitor

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[16:46]  You: IN moving to the west coast, they initiated a movement

[16:46]  You: in knowledge to the area around Stanford

[16:46]  You: Stanford had an entreprenuerial approach, and also had land.

[16:47]  You: They were also interested in developing the transistor into what became the semi-conductor

[16:47]  You: And in the context of the cold war, had basically unlimited access to military money . . .

[16:48]  You: . . . but before I go further . . .

[16:48]  Champler Snook is Online

[16:49]  You: about this knoweldge migration, and the emergence of flexible forms of business and a networking mentality

[16:49]  You: I'd like to offer a little more of an overview about the course

[16:49]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah

[16:49]  You: Thoughts and questions thus far?

[16:49]  Kid Kuhn: Nah Im just listening, its interestin

[16:50]  You: Great . . . so we'll talk about the how these actors shape a specific history, partly due to the geography

[16:50]  You: of the west coast

[16:50]  You: We'll look at some of the cultures which gave rise to the network society

[16:51]  You: including the technomeritocratic, the hacker culture, the communitarian, and much, much later - only in the 90s

[16:52]  You: in any significant way - business culture . . . helped inform the network society . . .

[16:52]  You: We'll then look at the social

[16:52]  You: history of the Internet itself

[16:53]  You: Then we'll look at the empirical data in terms of sociability, especially as the internet was becoming popular

[16:54]  You: We'll examine whether the data showed that the internet was leading to isolation and alienation, or increasing sociability

[16:54]  You: particularly in the latter half of the 1990s, - the INternet became widely popular in about 1994

[16:55]  You: We'll also examine this in terms of community, and individualization . . .

[16:55]  You: I'll suggest that individualization is increasing in the Network Society

[16:56]  You: Then we'll look at some economic questions

[16:56]  You: How does IT affect production

[16:56]  You: And the globalization of finance

[16:56]  You: IT is very efficient at organizing such processes.

[16:56]  You: and it's more far -reaching effect in economics in the area of finance . . .

[16:57]  You: Then we'll look at the other side of the coin - the digital divide, and how it's taking shape . . .

[16:57]  You: both in the later 89s, as well as today ...

[16:57]  You: Did you view those videos by Negroponte, Kid?

[16:58]  Kid Kuhn: Nope

[16:58]  Kid Kuhn: You mean on the display behindyou?

[16:58]  You: Watch both, if you can . . . they came around on the AIR-L list

[16:58]  You: I'll see if I can retrieve them and the cyberone course - hang on . . .

[16:59]  Kid Kuhn: I played my movie button but nothing showed

[16:59]  You: Here's the keynote address by MIT Media Lab's Nicholas Negroponte about the One Laptop per Child or XO-1 initiative at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society this year on May 31 - http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2007/06/17/nicholas-negroponte-keynote-at-internet-society-2007-2/.

[17:00]  You: In it , he tells how the initiative is proceeding, that this laptop will cost about $130, that it is basically ready, that they are targeting about 8 countries, and that one company built a new factory for them due to the scale of the project. It is primarily an educational endeavor.

[17:00]  You: This is one response to the Digitial Divide

[17:01]  You: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2830221n

[17:01]  Kid Kuhn: K thanks

[17:01]  You: That's the one from 60 minutes . . .

[17:01]  You: Have you been able to get any video?

[17:01]  Kid Kuhn: Can I watch them later?

[17:01]  You: view?

[17:01]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah

[17:01]  You: Please . . .

[17:01]  Diego Ibanez is Offline

[17:01]  Kid Kuhn: I get video generally

[17:02]  You: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/course-materials/lecture-videos/

[17:02]  You: And here are the cyberone videos - all intersting resources

[17:02]  You: I'll post this transcript for future referenc.e

[17:03]  You: But Negroponte is offering one response to the digital age . . .

[17:03]  You: and targetting about 7 coutnries . . .

[17:03]  You: The DD is a very signficant problem, in a world shaped by information generation and processing

[17:04]  You: And the divide in the US, for exmaple, has changed demographics significantly over th past 10 years .

[17:04]  You: Now almost all kinds at age 3 have access to computers . . .

[17:04]  You: amazing . . . and a whole new generation . . .

[17:04]  Kid Kuhn: hehe yes

[17:05]  You: Do you have kids, KID?

[17:05]  You: By any chance?

[17:05]  Kid Kuhn: Nope

[17:05]  You: And do they have access to computers?

[17:05]  Kid Kuhn: :)

[17:05]  You: :)

[17:05]  Kid Kuhn: Im 31 as of today

[17:05]  You: Do most kids have access to computers in Sweden?

[17:05]  You: Happy Birthday!

[17:05]  Kid Kuhn: Yes definitely

[17:05]  Kid Kuhn: Thanks. :)

[17:06]  You: How have you celebrated?

[17:06]  You: Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you!

[17:06]  Kid Kuhn: haha, thanks Aphilo

[17:06]  You: Have you lived in other countries?

[17:06]  You: for extended periods of time?

[17:06]  You: Which ones?

[17:06]  Kid Kuhn: Yes I have lived in the US for 9 months

[17:06]  You: Where was that?

[17:07]  Kid Kuhn: First in Wisconsin, then Arkansas

[17:07]  You: Your English is great . . .

[17:07]  You: slices of americana . . .

[17:07]  Kid Kuhn: Thanks..

[17:07]  You: did you attend university?

[17:07]  You: high school?

[17:07]  Kid Kuhn: No I was only 16 at the time, I went to high school

[17:07]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah

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[17:07]  You: sounds fun?

[17:07]  You: Other countries?

[17:08]  Kid Kuhn: Nope

[17:08]  Kid Kuhn: :)

[17:08]  You: :)

[17:08]  You: After we examine the Digital Divide,

[17:08]  Kid Kuhn: I think the US and Sweden are similar in some ways when it comes to technology or "networked society"

[17:08]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah go on

[17:09]  You: Their differences are also interesting . . .

[17:09]  You: IN "Conversations with Manuel Castells" by Martin INce, a British Journalist, they offer a world tour, which includes Sweden . .

[17:10]  You: in comparison, and uniquenesses

[17:10]  Kid Kuhn: Oh

[17:10]  You: After looking at the Digital Divide, we'll look at the INfomrational City . . .

[17:10]  You: and examine how spatiality is transformed due to information technology

[17:11]  You: We'll particularly look at how and why the possibilities have and haven't worked out.

[17:11]  You: Global capitals of finance are signficant in the Network society, as are patterns of migration

[17:12]  You: 60% of the world's labor force is still agrarian, and most of these don't have access to computers . . .

[17:13]  You: Then we'll look at the culture of virtuality, including Second Life

[17:13]  You: I just attended the SL conference in Chicago - was fascinating

[17:13]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah cool!

[17:14]  You: When we can all produce information in a world like this, you have something pretty remarkable

[17:14]  You: It's sitll in the context of a company

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[17:15]  You: and making money is still very signficant, but it's very much Silicon Valley compnay . . .

[17:15]  You: flexible, with hacker, and based on convergence technologies

[17:16]  You: Packer and Jordan in "Multimedia: From Wagner to Virtual Reality"

[17:16]  You: offer a fasincating study of many of the avant garde contirbutions to this

[17:16]  You: culture of virtual reality

[17:17]  You: They suggest, for example, that the following aspects make up what's new with multimedia

[17:18]  You: - immersion, integration of media elements,

[17:18]  You: new forms of narrativity,

[17:18]  Kid Kuhn: interesting

[17:19]  You: Hypermmedia - -with infinite numbers of links in this new environments

[17:19]  You: and interactivity . .

[17:19]  You: These five characteristics expoain what's new about multimedia

[17:20]  You: After looking at the culture of virtual reality

[17:20]  You: we

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[17:20]  You: ll look at Gender relations in the INformation age

[17:20]  You: and how many of the resistance movements that emerged in the 1960s and 70s, including the women's moement

[17:21]  You: have at least changed the standard for what equality is . . .

[17:21]  You: Perhaps you have looked at some of these questions . . .

[17:21]  You: How many years have you studied sociology?

[17:21]  You: And where are you in the process?

[17:21]  Kid Kuhn: Well its my first year as a doctorate student

[17:22]  You: Do you have a title for your dissertaion, = still too early.

[17:22]  You: I see . . .

[17:22]  Kid Kuhn: And no no title

[17:22]  Kid Kuhn: And im not sure if there is going to be one, hehe

[17:22]  Kid Kuhn: Im thinking of doing articles

[17:22]  Kid Kuhn: for my phd

[17:22]  You: Then we'll look at information politics

[17:22]  You: Is that done often in Sweden?

[17:23]  You: It's sensible . . . but perhaps your research will develop in a way, where a dissertation makes sense . . . :)

[17:24]  You: IN informational politics, we'l look at how media becomes much more signicant in the information age

[17:24]  Kid Kuhn: I think its not been so common, but its becoming more common to do articles

[17:24]  You: and that the signficance of a distributive network which shapes companies, comes to contrast with the signficance of bureaucracies that make up governements.

[17:25]  You: The Network Society and distributive networds - which is what the Internet is - change a lot.

[17:25]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah this is all interestin stuff

[17:25]  You: After looking at infomraitonal politics, we'll look at war and peace qeustions

[17:26]  You: Castells makes the suggestion that the nature of war has fundamentally changed . . .

[17:26]  You: That, for example, it's now based on information - in smart weapons, which can establish ultimate superiorit with devastitaion consequences

[17:27]  You: but this is followed by an information campaign, instead of pillage, for example . . .

[17:27]  You: and that then there's an attempt to return sovereignty to to people in a territory . . .

[17:28]  You: This is very new in historical terms . . .

[17:28]  You: and it's just an argument . . .

[17:28]  You: but the mortality due to war for Western nations has dropped significantly, since Vietnam

[17:29]  You: and perhaps this is due to IT in part

[17:29]  You: Lastly, we'll look at

[17:29]  You: the future of the Internet . . .

[17:29]  Kid Kuhn: :)

[17:29]  You: and IT

[17:29]  You: Are you familiar with Neil Gershenfeld?

[17:30]  You: He's an MIT professor

[17:30]  You: who is working on making tools which can make any tool one envisions . . .pretty amazing . . .

[17:30]  Kid Kuhn: Tools that make tools?

[17:30]  You: But we'll look at directions and limitations of the Internet, especially vis-a-vis society . . . and other nations . . .

[17:31]  You: Yes . . .

[17:31]  You: I'll send you some links . . .

[17:32]  You: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gershenfeld

[17:32]  Kid Kuhn: Thanks

[17:32]  You: Here's one - check out his web pages at the bttom

[17:32]  You: And here he talks to the library of congress - this video is a little 'mind-blowing' -

[17:33]  You: http://www.c-span.org/congress/digitalfuture.asp

[17:33]  You: It's the last video in this series . . .

[17:33]  You: It's very real and inspiring - innovation that is shaping the Information age . . .

[17:34]  You: So that's a brief overview of the course . . .

[17:34]  You: We'll get into a lot of issues that are significantly affecting our lives today, in relation to a series of technologies, that turn a lot of things on their heads . . .

[17:35]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah Cool Aphilo

[17:35]  You: Any questions or thoughts?

[17:35]  You: Great . . .

[17:35]  You: Do you have a web page, Kid?

[17:35]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah its at http://www.cyberkid.se

[17:35]  You: Thanks . . .

[17:36]  You: a blog . . cool

[17:36]  You: are you from gothenberg originally ?

[17:36]  Kid Kuhn: No Im from Stockholm

[17:36]  You: I lived in Scotland 2 years ago, and had a good Swedish friend.

[17:36]  Kid Kuhn: Ah nice. :)

[17:36]  You: I see . . . but I have visited there . . .

[17:37]  You: Are you married or with significant other (s)? :)

[17:37]  Kid Kuhn: Uhm..

[17:37]  Annette Paster is Offline

[17:37]  You: nevermind . . .

[17:37]  Kid Kuhn: I am engaged in a special way.. hehe. yes

[17:38]  You: For next week . . . if you want, check out the two media on the wiki, and write about your view of the internet, for your blog . . .

[17:38]  You: engagement :)

[17:38]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah.. thanks

[17:39]  Kid Kuhn: Ill do what I have time for.. try to look at all this stuff in the beginning of next week. :)

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[17:39]  You: Where have you found areas of interest in IT?

[17:39]  You: and how might this class articulat eiwth waht you are studying?

[17:39]  Kid Kuhn: Well all over the place.:)

[17:39]  You: Would it be helpful if we focused on a paper . . .

[17:40]  Kid Kuhn: Ah.. Im not sure, perhaps I can get back to you on that

[17:40]  You: that might be useful for another class?

[17:40]  You: Certainly . . .

[17:40]  You: What innovations in IT ahve you come across in Sweden that fascinate you?

[17:41]  Kid Kuhn: Well I think I need to go get some food Aphilo if you dont mind

[17:41]  Kid Kuhn: I will see you next week.

[17:41]  You: Yes . . . Let's call it a night . . . I'm really glad you came to class . . .

[17:41]  You: See you next week and bon appetit . . .

[17:41]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah lets talk more next week.

[17:42]  You: Great . . . I like your avatar . . . :)

[17:42]  Kid Kuhn: Make another notice on the lists or something, perhaps there will be more of us. :)

[17:42]  You: Good night . . .

[17:42]  You: I'll do that . . .:)

[17:42]  Kid Kuhn: Its a freebie avie, you can have a copy if you want

[17:42]  You: Yes, please . . .

[17:42]  Kid Kuhn: Now

[17:43]  You: Thanks . . .

[17:43]  Kid Kuhn: You should be able to buy it for 0 L

[17:43]  Kid Kuhn: Got it?

[17:44]  Homeless Howard Avatar fac owned by Kid Kuhn gave you 'Homeless Howard Avatar'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berkman/112/46/24 ).

[17:44]  Kid Kuhn: Did you get it?

[17:45]  Kid Kuhn: Hm.. Im not seing your chat

[17:45]  You: I have a macbook, so no right click -

[17:45]  You: I don't think I got it . . .

[17:45]  Kid Kuhn gave you Homeless Howard Avatar fac.

[17:45]  Kid Kuhn: K there

[17:46]  Kid Kuhn: That should work

[17:46]  Kid Kuhn: :)

[17:46]  You: I actually did have it

[17:46]  You: 3 times in my inventory

[17:46]  You: Thanks!

[17:46]  Kid Kuhn: hahaah

[17:46]  You: See you next week . . .

[17:46]  Kid Kuhn: Oki good

[17:46]  You: Nice to meet you

[17:46]  Kid Kuhn: Yeah thanks for today, have fun and Ill see you later!

[17:46]  Kid Kuhn: Bye for now

[17:46]  You: bye for now . . .

[17:47]  You: :)