Society and Information Technology in Second Life
Wednesdays, August 29 - December 12 , 2007, 4-6, SLT/PT, 7-9 pm E.T. on Berkman island in Second Life
Course homepage - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com
Instructor: Scott MacLeod (not on Harvard's faculty) = Aphilo Aarde (in Second Life)
http://scottmacleod.com/papers.htm
Aug 29 07 Soc and Info Tech in SL
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[16:00] Kid Kuhn: Hey again
[16:00] You: Hello Kid
[16:00] Kid Kuhn: Did I get the time wrong?
[16:00] You: this is the correct time . . . waiting to see who comes . . .
[16:00] Kid Kuhn: Ah oki. :)
[16:01] Kid Kuhn: The sandbox is full of crazy builders!
[16:01] You: What are your interests in information technology and society?
[16:01] You: Yea . . . SL makes that interesting and possible . . .
[16:01] Kid Kuhn: Sorry
[16:01] Kid Kuhn: Im getting IM swamped
[16:01] You: Are you a greybeard in RL? :)
[16:02] Kid Kuhn: No
[16:02] Kid Kuhn: Im a blonde swedish lady
[16:02] Kid Kuhn: My interest is sociological I guess. :) Im doing my phd in sociology
[16:02] You: Living in Sweden at 3 in the morning, or so? :)
[16:02] Kid Kuhn: Its 1 am now
[16:02] You: Great . . .
[16:03] You: Where in Sweden?
[16:03] You have offered friendship to Kid Kuhn
[16:03] Kid Kuhn: Gothenburg
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[16:03] You: I've never been there.
[16:03] Kid Kuhn: I saw the other class on tuesdays first, but this one is late enough. :)
[16:03] You: what are you studying in particular?
[16:03] You: Yes . . .
[16:03] You: Did you see it on AIR-L?
[16:04] Kid Kuhn: Well I have been working with research ethics and Im also trying to think about a study on slavery/submission
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[16:04] Kid Kuhn: Yes I did!
[16:04] Kid Kuhn: Was very happy to see it
[16:04] You: Great . . .
[16:04] Kid Kuhn: Thought I might be a bit overqualified.. hehe, but I love attending any events like this
[16:04] You: Are you familiar with Hans Rosling?
[16:04] Kid Kuhn: No.. dont think so
[16:05] You: He's a Swedish professor of public health, in part, and a statistician . . .
[16:05] You: He's given some very interesting TED talks . . .
[16:05] You: Here's a link to one:
[16:05] Kid Kuhn: Ah oki, well I think I recall the name but dont think I have read or heard anything in particular about/by him
[16:06] You: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/92
[16:06] You: It's a dynamic talk . . .
[16:06] You: Let's talk a little about the course, and see who arrives . .
[16:07] You: I was told enrollment was very low at the Univ I teach, but am interested in teaching in SL . . .
[16:07] Kid Kuhn: omg his swedish accent is funny
[16:07] Kid Kuhn: hehe
[16:07] Kid Kuhn: Yeah very unfortunate if noone shows up!
[16:07] You: Yes . . .
[16:07] Kid Kuhn: Perhaps its a matter of advertising? Dont think there should be low interest
[16:08] You: Let's get started . . .
[16:08] You: Please check out the video and the talk on the syllabus for next week . . .
[16:08] Kid Kuhn: Not the Rosling video?
[16:08] You: That's interesting, in addition :)
[16:09] Kid Kuhn: hehe ok
[16:09] You: I'd to go over what we'll cover in the course . . .
[16:09] Kid Kuhn: The vid is not playing
[16:10] You: and also talk about what's significant in terms of a paradigm shift in the information technology revolution.
[16:10] You: A little background:
[16:11] You: I first took a course here in the fall of 2006 with Charlie Nesson, Becca and Gene Koo in Cyberone Law in the court of Public Opinion
[16:11] You: What was so interesting was the possibility
[16:11] You: for group talks due to these new technologies
[16:12] You: Charlie Nesson, a long time Harvard Law Professor, also is quite visionary . . . and included many different facets to his class . . .
[16:12] You: He has made the opportunity to teach on Berkman . .
[16:13] Kid Kuhn: How has he mad the oportunity?
[16:13] Kid Kuhn: He made the island?
[16:13] You: So what's unique about the information age
[16:13] You: are 5 characteristics, per Manuel Castells . . .
[16:14] You: Together they help explain many of the significant changes we are living through . . .
[16:14] You: (Charlie Nesson founded the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard)
[16:15] You: (in 1997 or so)
[16:15] You: Hi Sanz . . .
[16:15] You: (So Nesson has both given rise to the vision that led to Berkman Island, and he has faciliated making it happen)
[16:16] Kid Kuhn: Ok Aphilo interesting I saw a vid with him in it the other dat
[16:16] You: Sanz, are you here for the course on Society and Info Tech
[16:16] You: ?
[16:16] You: Which video was that , Kid?
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[16:17] You: I'll pass on the link to a series of video lectures in his course, momentarily . . .
[16:18] Kid Kuhn: Let me look
[16:18] Kid Kuhn: It was a guy lecturing him on SL
[16:18] You: The Information Technology revolution however is unique because it's about Information Generation and processing, in contrast to previous industrial revoltuions.
[16:18] Kid Kuhn: The big dude.. whats he called
[16:18] You: That's one starting point for this course . .
[16:18] You: Which big dude?
[16:18] Kid Kuhn: Yeah sounds good Aphilo
[16:18] Kid Kuhn: Yeah.. hehe
[16:18] Kid Kuhn: Im trying to think how to get the link
[16:18] You: Sanz - are you here for this course?
[16:19] Kid Kuhn: I found it on the website of the person who holds the second course you advertised
[16:19] You: I see
[16:20] You: Previous industrial revolutions have been about energy, chemicals, metals, telecommunications. . . .and synergies that
[16:20] You: have arisen as a consequence of the development of these materials and processes . . .
[16:21] Kid Kuhn: This one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=T_akmmr0ReI
[16:21] You: The Information Technology revolution I'd like to argue started significantly with the transistor and the semiconductor in the 40s and 50s
[16:21] You: is signficantly different from previous synergies
[16:21] You: Thanks . . .
[16:22] You: that led to significant changes in socioeconomic processes . . .
[16:23] You: So what makes information generation and processing signficant is that it affects and pervades every aspect of the socioeconmic
[16:23] You: socioeconomic processes . . .
[16:23] Kid Kuhn: This makes it diffrent from other technology?
[16:24] You: (I'd like to create the opportunity for dialogue this evening)
[16:24] Kid Kuhn: Good!
[16:24] Kid Kuhn smiles
[16:24] You: Let's talk . . . :)
[16:25] Kid Kuhn: Im kind of following but there are some big words here that Im not sure of the exact contents of
[16:25] You: Yes . . . information process ing and generation as the significant characteristic of the network society
[16:25] You: are unique to what arose with computers and the internet.
[16:26] You: What questions do you have?
[16:26] You: Which ideas?
[16:26] Kid Kuhn: Yeah
[16:26] Kid Kuhn: Chat lag sorry
[16:26] You: I'll try to give an overview at first, which will perhaps contextualize this for you . . .
[16:27] Kid Kuhn: Yeah go on!
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[16:27] You: So this technological paradigm which is informing the IT revolution is
[16:28] You: 1) about Information processing and generation
[16:28] You: 2) it pervades and affects every aspect of socioeconomic life
[16:28] You: 3) it's based on networking - of people, of companies, or technologies
[16:29] You: - and this is brand new relative to the previous industrial revoltuions
[16:29] You: 4) operates on the priniciple of flexibility
[16:30] You: The system is such that it reorganizes and reprograms itself without disintegration
[16:30] You: and 5) it's based on a technological convergence
[16:30] You: in an integrating system
[16:30] You: so that a) it's an open, not a closing system
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[16:31] You: and b) it's only bound by technological development
[16:31] You: These 5 characteristics are very new, and specific to this information technology revolution
[16:32] You: and they emerge out of a very unique and specific history
[16:32] You: which we'll talk about in this course . . .
[16:32] You: What interests you about the information revolution, Kid?
[16:33] Kid Kuhn: Well Im mostly interested in everyday social aspects, how/if we realate diffrently, get diffrent oportunities, if the "parameters" of cultural capital et.c.. changes and how
[16:33] You: And from your position in Sweden, what do you see as significant developments vis-a-vis these points?
[16:34] You: Those interest me, as well . . . a lot
[16:34] Kid Kuhn: Haha, well thats a big question..
[16:34] Kid Kuhn: The second one
[16:35] Kid Kuhn: I think what I think of as most obvious is how technology is so "natural" to kids
[16:35] You: For example, as a consequence of these developments, we all have computers, and become producers of information - cultural capital, if you will . .
[16:35] You: That's quite novel . . .
[16:35] You: And has far reaching implications . . .
[16:35] Kid Kuhn: Yeah.. Im also thinking more subtile things like.. how dominance relationships, hiearcheis and such are affected
[16:35] Kid Kuhn: Connected to feminist theory and such
[16:35] You: Yes, kids pick it up very easily . . .
[16:36] You: IN the network society, the digital divide is very signficant in terms of issues of dominance questions, etc.
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[16:37] Kid Kuhn: Yeah
[16:37] You: Those who have access to computers shape new networks, which, if not a part of, leaves one out of a signficant mode of social engagement . . .
[16:38] Kid Kuhn: Yeah I havent read Castells but this sounds like him?
[16:38] You: We'll talk about the digital divide and the crisis of patriarchy at later dates
[16:38] You: Yes, I'm interested in Castells - and this course relates directly to his work.
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[16:39] You: I think he has successfully theorized the Network Society more comprehensively than most other theorists who have considered these issues . . .
[16:40] You: so in the next couple of class, we'll
[16:40] Kid Kuhn: Yeah its interesting, I dont know it very well so Id like to learn more about it
[16:40] You: look at the social history of the internet - great, it's important, timely and topical -
[16:40] You: and fascinating
[16:41] You: looking at the geography, history and actors, for one . . .
[16:41] You: what developed into the Network Society occurred serendipitiously
[16:42] You: And was in part a reaction to east coast (US) hierarichally organized comnpanies
[16:42] You: which didn't know how to engage innovation
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[16:42] You: When people at Bell Labs in the late 1940s invented the transistor
[16:43] You: no one knew what to do with it - a transistor is an on off switch which can control an electrical current.
[16:44] You: And these researchers got, for example, a Nobel Prize for this research
[16:44] You: but they couldn't do anything with it . . .
[16:44] You: so they ended up moving to the West Coast . . .
[16:45] You: Big companies on the east coast - RCA, for exmaple, were developing audio components using vacuum tubes- no need for the transsitor
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[16:46] You: IN moving to the west coast, they initiated a movement
[16:46] You: in knowledge to the area around Stanford
[16:46] You: Stanford had an entreprenuerial approach, and also had land.
[16:47] You: They were also interested in developing the transistor into what became the semi-conductor
[16:47] You: And in the context of the cold war, had basically unlimited access to military money . . .
[16:48] You: . . . but before I go further . . .
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[16:49] You: about this knoweldge migration, and the emergence of flexible forms of business and a networking mentality
[16:49] You: I'd like to offer a little more of an overview about the course
[16:49] Kid Kuhn: Yeah
[16:49] You: Thoughts and questions thus far?
[16:49] Kid Kuhn: Nah Im just listening, its interestin
[16:50] You: Great . . . so we'll talk about the how these actors shape a specific history, partly due to the geography
[16:50] You: of the west coast
[16:50] You: We'll look at some of the cultures which gave rise to the network society
[16:51] You: including the technomeritocratic, the hacker culture, the communitarian, and much, much later - only in the 90s
[16:52] You: in any significant way - business culture . . . helped inform the network society . . .
[16:52] You: We'll then look at the social
[16:52] You: history of the Internet itself
[16:53] You: Then we'll look at the empirical data in terms of sociability, especially as the internet was becoming popular
[16:54] You: We'll examine whether the data showed that the internet was leading to isolation and alienation, or increasing sociability
[16:54] You: particularly in the latter half of the 1990s, - the INternet became widely popular in about 1994
[16:55] You: We'll also examine this in terms of community, and individualization . . .
[16:55] You: I'll suggest that individualization is increasing in the Network Society
[16:56] You: Then we'll look at some economic questions
[16:56] You: How does IT affect production
[16:56] You: And the globalization of finance
[16:56] You: IT is very efficient at organizing such processes.
[16:56] You: and it's more far -reaching effect in economics in the area of finance . . .
[16:57] You: Then we'll look at the other side of the coin - the digital divide, and how it's taking shape . . .
[16:57] You: both in the later 89s, as well as today ...
[16:57] You: Did you view those videos by Negroponte, Kid?
[16:58] Kid Kuhn: Nope
[16:58] Kid Kuhn: You mean on the display behindyou?
[16:58] You: Watch both, if you can . . . they came around on the AIR-L list
[16:58] You: I'll see if I can retrieve them and the cyberone course - hang on . . .
[16:59] Kid Kuhn: I played my movie button but nothing showed
[16:59] You: Here's the keynote address by MIT Media Lab's Nicholas Negroponte about the One Laptop per Child or XO-1 initiative at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society this year on May 31 - http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/2007/06/17/nicholas-negroponte-keynote-at-internet-society-2007-2/.
[17:00] You: In it , he tells how the initiative is proceeding, that this laptop will cost about $130, that it is basically ready, that they are targeting about 8 countries, and that one company built a new factory for them due to the scale of the project. It is primarily an educational endeavor.
[17:00] You: This is one response to the Digitial Divide
[17:01] You: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2830221n
[17:01] Kid Kuhn: K thanks
[17:01] You: That's the one from 60 minutes . . .
[17:01] You: Have you been able to get any video?
[17:01] Kid Kuhn: Can I watch them later?
[17:01] You: view?
[17:01] Kid Kuhn: Yeah
[17:01] You: Please . . .
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[17:01] Kid Kuhn: I get video generally
[17:02] You: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cyberone/course-materials/lecture-videos/
[17:02] You: And here are the cyberone videos - all intersting resources
[17:02] You: I'll post this transcript for future referenc.e
[17:03] You: But Negroponte is offering one response to the digital age . . .
[17:03] You: and targetting about 7 coutnries . . .
[17:03] You: The DD is a very signficant problem, in a world shaped by information generation and processing
[17:04] You: And the divide in the US, for exmaple, has changed demographics significantly over th past 10 years .
[17:04] You: Now almost all kinds at age 3 have access to computers . . .
[17:04] You: amazing . . . and a whole new generation . . .
[17:04] Kid Kuhn: hehe yes
[17:05] You: Do you have kids, KID?
[17:05] You: By any chance?
[17:05] Kid Kuhn: Nope
[17:05] You: And do they have access to computers?
[17:05] Kid Kuhn: :)
[17:05] You: :)
[17:05] Kid Kuhn: Im 31 as of today
[17:05] You: Do most kids have access to computers in Sweden?
[17:05] You: Happy Birthday!
[17:05] Kid Kuhn: Yes definitely
[17:05] Kid Kuhn: Thanks. :)
[17:06] You: How have you celebrated?
[17:06] You: Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you!
[17:06] Kid Kuhn: haha, thanks Aphilo
[17:06] You: Have you lived in other countries?
[17:06] You: for extended periods of time?
[17:06] You: Which ones?
[17:06] Kid Kuhn: Yes I have lived in the US for 9 months
[17:06] You: Where was that?
[17:07] Kid Kuhn: First in Wisconsin, then Arkansas
[17:07] You: Your English is great . . .
[17:07] You: slices of americana . . .
[17:07] Kid Kuhn: Thanks..
[17:07] You: did you attend university?
[17:07] You: high school?
[17:07] Kid Kuhn: No I was only 16 at the time, I went to high school
[17:07] Kid Kuhn: Yeah
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[17:07] You: sounds fun?
[17:07] You: Other countries?
[17:08] Kid Kuhn: Nope
[17:08] Kid Kuhn: :)
[17:08] You: :)
[17:08] You: After we examine the Digital Divide,
[17:08] Kid Kuhn: I think the US and Sweden are similar in some ways when it comes to technology or "networked society"
[17:08] Kid Kuhn: Yeah go on
[17:09] You: Their differences are also interesting . . .
[17:09] You: IN "Conversations with Manuel Castells" by Martin INce, a British Journalist, they offer a world tour, which includes Sweden . .
[17:10] You: in comparison, and uniquenesses
[17:10] Kid Kuhn: Oh
[17:10] You: After looking at the Digital Divide, we'll look at the INfomrational City . . .
[17:10] You: and examine how spatiality is transformed due to information technology
[17:11] You: We'll particularly look at how and why the possibilities have and haven't worked out.
[17:11] You: Global capitals of finance are signficant in the Network society, as are patterns of migration
[17:12] You: 60% of the world's labor force is still agrarian, and most of these don't have access to computers . . .
[17:13] You: Then we'll look at the culture of virtuality, including Second Life
[17:13] You: I just attended the SL conference in Chicago - was fascinating
[17:13] Kid Kuhn: Yeah cool!
[17:14] You: When we can all produce information in a world like this, you have something pretty remarkable
[17:14] You: It's sitll in the context of a company
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[17:15] You: and making money is still very signficant, but it's very much Silicon Valley compnay . . .
[17:15] You: flexible, with hacker, and based on convergence technologies
[17:16] You: Packer and Jordan in "Multimedia: From Wagner to Virtual Reality"
[17:16] You: offer a fasincating study of many of the avant garde contirbutions to this
[17:16] You: culture of virtual reality
[17:17] You: They suggest, for example, that the following aspects make up what's new with multimedia
[17:18] You: - immersion, integration of media elements,
[17:18] You: new forms of narrativity,
[17:18] Kid Kuhn: interesting
[17:19] You: Hypermmedia - -with infinite numbers of links in this new environments
[17:19] You: and interactivity . .
[17:19] You: These five characteristics expoain what's new about multimedia
[17:20] You: After looking at the culture of virtual reality
[17:20] You: we
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[17:20] You: ll look at Gender relations in the INformation age
[17:20] You: and how many of the resistance movements that emerged in the 1960s and 70s, including the women's moement
[17:21] You: have at least changed the standard for what equality is . . .
[17:21] You: Perhaps you have looked at some of these questions . . .
[17:21] You: How many years have you studied sociology?
[17:21] You: And where are you in the process?
[17:21] Kid Kuhn: Well its my first year as a doctorate student
[17:22] You: Do you have a title for your dissertaion, = still too early.
[17:22] You: I see . . .
[17:22] Kid Kuhn: And no no title
[17:22] Kid Kuhn: And im not sure if there is going to be one, hehe
[17:22] Kid Kuhn: Im thinking of doing articles
[17:22] Kid Kuhn: for my phd
[17:22] You: Then we'll look at information politics
[17:22] You: Is that done often in Sweden?
[17:23] You: It's sensible . . . but perhaps your research will develop in a way, where a dissertation makes sense . . . :)
[17:24] You: IN informational politics, we'l look at how media becomes much more signicant in the information age
[17:24] Kid Kuhn: I think its not been so common, but its becoming more common to do articles
[17:24] You: and that the signficance of a distributive network which shapes companies, comes to contrast with the signficance of bureaucracies that make up governements.
[17:25] You: The Network Society and distributive networds - which is what the Internet is - change a lot.
[17:25] Kid Kuhn: Yeah this is all interestin stuff
[17:25] You: After looking at infomraitonal politics, we'll look at war and peace qeustions
[17:26] You: Castells makes the suggestion that the nature of war has fundamentally changed . . .
[17:26] You: That, for example, it's now based on information - in smart weapons, which can establish ultimate superiorit with devastitaion consequences
[17:27] You: but this is followed by an information campaign, instead of pillage, for example . . .
[17:27] You: and that then there's an attempt to return sovereignty to to people in a territory . . .
[17:28] You: This is very new in historical terms . . .
[17:28] You: and it's just an argument . . .
[17:28] You: but the mortality due to war for Western nations has dropped significantly, since Vietnam
[17:29] You: and perhaps this is due to IT in part
[17:29] You: Lastly, we'll look at
[17:29] You: the future of the Internet . . .
[17:29] Kid Kuhn: :)
[17:29] You: and IT
[17:29] You: Are you familiar with Neil Gershenfeld?
[17:30] You: He's an MIT professor
[17:30] You: who is working on making tools which can make any tool one envisions . . .pretty amazing . . .
[17:30] Kid Kuhn: Tools that make tools?
[17:30] You: But we'll look at directions and limitations of the Internet, especially vis-a-vis society . . . and other nations . . .
[17:31] You: Yes . . .
[17:31] You: I'll send you some links . . .
[17:32] You: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gershenfeld
[17:32] Kid Kuhn: Thanks
[17:32] You: Here's one - check out his web pages at the bttom
[17:32] You: And here he talks to the library of congress - this video is a little 'mind-blowing' -
[17:33] You: http://www.c-span.org/congress/digitalfuture.asp
[17:33] You: It's the last video in this series . . .
[17:33] You: It's very real and inspiring - innovation that is shaping the Information age . . .
[17:34] You: So that's a brief overview of the course . . .
[17:34] You: We'll get into a lot of issues that are significantly affecting our lives today, in relation to a series of technologies, that turn a lot of things on their heads . . .
[17:35] Kid Kuhn: Yeah Cool Aphilo
[17:35] You: Any questions or thoughts?
[17:35] You: Great . . .
[17:35] You: Do you have a web page, Kid?
[17:35] Kid Kuhn: Yeah its at http://www.cyberkid.se
[17:35] You: Thanks . . .
[17:36] You: a blog . . cool
[17:36] You: are you from gothenberg originally ?
[17:36] Kid Kuhn: No Im from Stockholm
[17:36] You: I lived in Scotland 2 years ago, and had a good Swedish friend.
[17:36] Kid Kuhn: Ah nice. :)
[17:36] You: I see . . . but I have visited there . . .
[17:37] You: Are you married or with significant other (s)? :)
[17:37] Kid Kuhn: Uhm..
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[17:37] You: nevermind . . .
[17:37] Kid Kuhn: I am engaged in a special way.. hehe. yes
[17:38] You: For next week . . . if you want, check out the two media on the wiki, and write about your view of the internet, for your blog . . .
[17:38] You: engagement :)
[17:38] Kid Kuhn: Yeah.. thanks
[17:39] Kid Kuhn: Ill do what I have time for.. try to look at all this stuff in the beginning of next week. :)
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[17:39] You: Where have you found areas of interest in IT?
[17:39] You: and how might this class articulat eiwth waht you are studying?
[17:39] Kid Kuhn: Well all over the place.:)
[17:39] You: Would it be helpful if we focused on a paper . . .
[17:40] Kid Kuhn: Ah.. Im not sure, perhaps I can get back to you on that
[17:40] You: that might be useful for another class?
[17:40] You: Certainly . . .
[17:40] You: What innovations in IT ahve you come across in Sweden that fascinate you?
[17:41] Kid Kuhn: Well I think I need to go get some food Aphilo if you dont mind
[17:41] Kid Kuhn: I will see you next week.
[17:41] You: Yes . . . Let's call it a night . . . I'm really glad you came to class . . .
[17:41] You: See you next week and bon appetit . . .
[17:41] Kid Kuhn: Yeah lets talk more next week.
[17:42] You: Great . . . I like your avatar . . . :)
[17:42] Kid Kuhn: Make another notice on the lists or something, perhaps there will be more of us. :)
[17:42] You: Good night . . .
[17:42] You: I'll do that . . .:)
[17:42] Kid Kuhn: Its a freebie avie, you can have a copy if you want
[17:42] You: Yes, please . . .
[17:42] Kid Kuhn: Now
[17:43] You: Thanks . . .
[17:43] Kid Kuhn: You should be able to buy it for 0 L
[17:43] Kid Kuhn: Got it?
[17:44] Homeless Howard Avatar fac owned by Kid Kuhn gave you 'Homeless Howard Avatar' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berkman/112/46/24 ).
[17:44] Kid Kuhn: Did you get it?
[17:45] Kid Kuhn: Hm.. Im not seing your chat
[17:45] You: I have a macbook, so no right click -
[17:45] You: I don't think I got it . . .
[17:45] Kid Kuhn gave you Homeless Howard Avatar fac.
[17:45] Kid Kuhn: K there
[17:46] Kid Kuhn: That should work
[17:46] Kid Kuhn: :)
[17:46] You: I actually did have it
[17:46] You: 3 times in my inventory
[17:46] You: Thanks!
[17:46] Kid Kuhn: hahaah
[17:46] You: See you next week . . .
[17:46] Kid Kuhn: Oki good
[17:46] You: Nice to meet you
[17:46] Kid Kuhn: Yeah thanks for today, have fun and Ill see you later!
[17:46] Kid Kuhn: Bye for now
[17:46] You: bye for now . . .
[17:47] You: :)
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